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New heads bugged

Post by Xarge VI » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:32 pm

It seems large portion of the new heads are bugged.

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I changed to head 51. I logged off and when I logged in again my character was headless. After some experimenting it seems that head options 50-87 are now bugged. With 50-82 appearing headless and 83-87 appear as metallic.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by maxpolishguy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:20 pm

Not only new heads are bugged. I did not change anything with my character's head, but whenever she has her hood on with the -hood functions, she becomes headless to others. I see my character just fine but I do get a lot of tells saying "Nix is headless!"

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Miaou » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:49 pm

I posted much the same with my own testings. It seems commands that change the head models causes issues, namely -hood.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by msheeler » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:37 am

I use -hood 1 and -hood 2 all the time, new and old heads. Never had an issue. Sounds more client side?

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Miaou » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:42 am

It's client side in that the head is actually there for some, sometimes. But multiple people can experience this bug. Sometimes you can see your own head, but the twenty or so people you pass won't see a head at all. There is something wrong, client side or not.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by msheeler » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:58 pm

I wonder id it is some sort of lag related bug, like the invisible monsters you get sometimes, or clothing that suddenly goes all 'chrome'. Have you tried head / hood swaps in front of someone when they report this?

Also, have you noticed if it is more prevalent on Surface or C&P?

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Lilja_91 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:17 pm

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I've observed the same issue.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:19 pm

Is this always happening after the -hood command?

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Lilja_91 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:22 pm

In my case I just saw a random walk by me without a head.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:54 pm

Toggle hood has been removed.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25&p=219959#p219959

If this doesn't fix the issue please tell me below. I'm hoping that after this we shall no longer have as many problem with headless characters.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Drogo Gyslain » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:33 pm

Now the Hoods are stuck on all our characters! I can't take my hood on and off, and I'm stuck at my hooded state.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:50 pm

Drogo Gyslain wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:33 pm
Now the Hoods are stuck on all our characters! I can't take my hood on and off, and I'm stuck at my hooded state.
Yes, as it says in the announcement anyone who had their hood toggled on before this function was disabled will be stuck with it, and should ping a DM for head swap.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Nitro » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm

Honestly, I'd rather have hood functionality than a wider selection of static heads to pick from at character creation.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Hinty » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:22 am

Not convinced that the hoods are the only cause, as I am unable to see a head on the halfling NPC that hangs around outside the tent in Sibiyad.
Have also seen a player without a head on C&P since the change, he had a head when I saw him the first time. Later, no head.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:31 am

Hinty wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:22 am
Not convinced that the hoods are the only cause, as I am unable to see a head on the halfling NPC that hangs around outside the tent in Sibiyad.
Have also seen a player without a head on C&P since the change, he had a head when I saw him the first time. Later, no head.
Thanks, this information definitely helps. If it proves that the toggle hood command is only a minor factor in this issue then naturally we'd able to re-add it.

Thus far we're unable to determine the exact cause of this bug, but hopefully we'll find the answer to it soon.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Hinty » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:32 am

For completeness, Farah the Paper Hin would be the NPC. She has been headless for me since the new heads went in.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Skibbles » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:35 am

Is it possible to add a new helmet appearance of the vanilla hood for those who preferred hoods as a fashion or disguise?
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So we're very much on track.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:43 am

Having talked this over with Symphony and Mord, it is almost certainly a problem with how NWSync delivers HAKs, as new spell icons have also been vanishing. There is still a lot we don't know, but unless I receive some concrete feedback that the removal of the hood toggle has reduced occurrences of this bug we will re-add it.

On the plus side this is very much on the radar of those with the ability to fix it, so I'm relatively confident that it will be fixed.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:11 pm

I've asked for hood toggling to be re-enabled, and have had the following feedback on the bug, which affects not just heads, but other HAK content.
a bug in resource eviction/reloading. it only happens if you join a game twice. if you restart the game between server joins it never happens
So this will be affecting player, especially, after hoping servers twice. Until this is fixed on Beamdog's end I advise restarting NWN if you visit the same server TWICE in a single play session.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by RZ » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm

Oh right, in case this is interesting for you: I observed a similar behavior with Sai weapon icons in my inventory. When I join a server with a fresh game start, they are always visible, but after server switches/rejoins, at some point they might turn invisible and the only fix is to restart the game; they will never turn visible by switching servers again. Sounds like it is related.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by RZ » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:55 pm

Short update:
This seems to be fixed with build 8193.10, at least judging from my Sai weapon icons.

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Re: New heads bugged

Post by Irongron » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:17 pm

RZ wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:55 pm
Short update:
This seems to be fixed with build 8193.10, at least judging from my Sai weapon icons.
I was told it should be, thanks!

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