Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

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Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:16 pm

Description of Bug Experienced:
I made a bard on PGCC (drow base) and leveled him to 8 Bard / 15 Red Dragon Disciple / 7 Weapon Master. Then I used a bard song, which showed 8 as base song level instead of 15, which was the expected level with RDD synergy (1:2).

Steps to reproduce the Bug:
Level up a character on PGCC to 8 Bard / 15 Red Dragon Disciple / 7 Weapon Master and use a bard song.

Expected Result:
Base song level 15.

Actual Result:
Base song level 8.

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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by In Sorrow We Trust » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:28 pm

check how your stats change when you sing. the debug message is almost always wrong. just cross verify your skill bonuses from the wiki


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:46 pm

Test results: Baseline + Selfish Solo with Effective Bard Song Level 15 should give me +2 AB, +4 AC, +2 skills and +3 regen, instead I am getting +2 AB, +3 AC, +1 skills and +2 regen, which is less than what I should be getting.


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by Iceborn » Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:17 pm

This is weird.
Prior to the last wiki update bardsong scaling with RDD levels was only supposedly active at 20+ bard levels.
When I tested this I found it to be untrue, along with other undocumented changes, so I removed the note.

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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by In Sorrow We Trust » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:16 pm

oh right. I forgot about that

I am pretty sure it's supposed to be 1:3 and then migrated to 1:2 if bard levels >= to rdd levels


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by Iceborn » Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:56 am

Went to test this in the PGCC. This checks out.
Except it has to be more bard levels, not more or equal.
I'll update the wiki accordingly.

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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:44 am

Thank you for testing this.


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:11 pm

I did some more testing with this and it seems that the bard song scaling is currently 1:4 and then migrated to 1:2 if bard levels > to rdd levels. If it is supposed to be 1:3, then it would require some tweaking.


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by In Sorrow We Trust » Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:19 pm

I don't remember what it's supposed to be, I think the wiki may mention it


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:21 pm

The wiki shows the following:
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At least the bard song level is currently not what the wiki shows; scaling is 1:4 when bard levels are less than rdd levels.


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by In Sorrow We Trust » Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:32 pm

math issue then. will need to be looked at. I'm in perma os reconfiguration lately or I'd do it. no way to test


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by falafel » Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:19 pm

Alright, much appreciated if other dev can look into it when they have time.


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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by Iceborn » Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:48 am

Tested in PGCC
bard 6/RDD 6 yielded song level 8 - assuming 1:3 scaling of RDD this is correct.
6/8 yielded 8
7/8 yielded 9
7/9 yielded 9 ??? This should have yielded 10.
8/9 yielded 10 - this is still wrong
9/9 yielded 12 ?????? This is correct but it's not consistent with previous results
10/9 yielded 14, entering 1:2 scaling, and this is correct.
10/10 yielded 13, which is mathematically correct but doesn't make much sense mechanically.

This was all tested using the debug readout of the PGCC.

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Re: Effective Bard Song Level synergy not working

Post by In Sorrow We Trust » Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:36 pm

Iceborn wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:48 am

Tested in PGCC
bard 6/RDD 6 yielded song level 8 - assuming 1:3 scaling of RDD this is correct.
6/8 yielded 8
7/8 yielded 9
7/9 yielded 9 ??? This should have yielded 10.
8/9 yielded 10 - this is still wrong
9/9 yielded 12 ?????? This is correct but it's not consistent with previous results
10/9 yielded 14, entering 1:2 scaling, and this is correct.
10/10 yielded 13, which is mathematically correct but doesn't make much sense mechanically.

This was all tested using the debug readout of the PGCC.

another rounding equation that needs to be fixed, that's all


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