Multiple Spell Component Pouches

[andthenthatwasthat]

How does having multiple Spell Component Pouches work? How does the script chose which charge to decrease? Will it ensure it does not destroy a pouch if there are changes left in other pouches?

[Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia]

When you cast a spell that requires components, the script will loop through your inventory, starting at the bottom-left corner of your first tab and moving row by row upwards. When it identifies components or a component pouch with sufficient charges, it will remove the current required number of components from that first quaifying object. If it still needs more components after exhausting the first object, it will continue its search pattern through the inventory for the next qualifying object.

[andthenthatwasthat]

If it still needs more components after exhausting the first object, it will continue its search pattern through the inventory for the next qualifying object.

Does that mean that it is possible that some pouches could get destroyed this way (if they run out of charges), although there are other pouches that are filled with components?

[Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia]

Looks like it, yes. Having another pouch is good if you lose track of charges in the first pouch, so you have a backup.

[andthenthatwasthat]

Looks like it, yes. Having another pouch is good if you lose track of charges in the first pouch, so you have a backup.

Thanks so much! I wonder how likely it is to "run out" of a fully charged pouch during a single battle. Probably only a problem for True Flames at the moment.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

Thanks so much! I wonder how likely it is to "run out" of a fully charged pouch during a single battle. Probably only a problem for True Flames at the moment.

This is less of a problem than you might think- a vast majority of a TF's bread and butter are maximized and empowered spells, as several builds for the class include the possibility for both auto-quicken 3 (and quickened spells/haste pots before you get that) and hellball.

I carry two pouches on my epic true flame, and I usually don't even make a worry-worthy dent in the first pouch unless I'm intentionally showing off. I'd recommend two pouches with a stack of 10 or so unabsorbed spell components beside them as basically safe for anything you could conceivably do, across multiple play sessions, other than hours of fighting in an arena where death isn't death.

[-XXX-]

I have been using 24 spell component pouches and didn't notice any pattern for this so far - the charges appear to be subtracted from a random pouch chosen from a set of 3 randomly selected pouches before depleting one of them and moving over to another set of 3.

The position of pouches within the inventory tab doesn't seem to play any role in this, but that is just me presenting anecdotal evidence

Edit: spell component pouches that were added more recently to the inventory appear to be more likely have their charges subtracted before the older ones.

[Eira]

Likewise, I carry eight pouches and it definitely does not start at one corner or another. Usually I have to hunt through them to find which pouch the components were used from

[Nitro]

It's definitely random. I keep 3 in a vertical row, sometimes the top one is used 4 times in a row, sometimes it alternates randomly between them, there doesn't seem to be any identifiable pattern at all.

[Skibbles]

Holy cow is there something I'm missing because I only ever have just two pouches. Am I reading it right that people are carrying half a dozen, of the 50 charge pouches, or more?

Spells seem to alternate between the two and I've never lost one.

[Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia]

Then maybe it's random. Whatever, it's the caprice of the NwN gods, this is a vanilla function we're talking about and I don't exactly have the source code. Just make the sign of the cross and pray for fortune before going on a casting binge I guess!

[Thalion]

Thanks so much! I wonder how likely it is to "run out" of a fully charged pouch during a single battle. Probably only a problem for True Flames at the moment.

This is less of a problem than you might think- a vast majority of a TF's bread and butter are maximized and empowered spells, as several builds for the class include the possibility for both auto-quicken 3 (and quickened spells/haste pots before you get that) and hellball.

I carry two pouches on my epic true flame, and I usually don't even make a worry-worthy dent in the first pouch unless I'm intentionally showing off. I'd recommend two pouches with a stack of 10 or so unabsorbed spell components beside them as basically safe for anything you could conceivably do, across multiple play sessions, other than hours of fighting in an arena where death isn't death.

i can confirm, as an avid lover of the TF, that i rarely use components in 'most' scenarios. HOWEVER there are times when ill burn 80 charges in a single run, for RP events or such especially when needing so grab things with big green fists. wich is why i carry around 4 stacks of spell components

[Gouge Away]

I burned through components quickest on a shadow mage. They don't have empowered and maxi'ed missiles and tend to use the high level slots for high level spells, or at least I did.

[KeldonDonovans]

This is less of a problem than you might think- a vast majority of a TF's bread and butter are maximized and empowered spells, as several builds for the class include the possibility for both auto-quicken 3 (and quickened spells/haste pots before you get that) and hellball.

Wait a second... You mean if I empower or maximize a spell, and that raises it to a level that would usually use a spell component, it does not? Only spells naturally of that level do? Am I understanding this correctly?

[Thalion]

This is less of a problem than you might think- a vast majority of a TF's bread and butter are maximized and empowered spells, as several builds for the class include the possibility for both auto-quicken 3 (and quickened spells/haste pots before you get that) and hellball.

Wait a second... You mean if I empower or maximize a spell, and that raises it to a level that would usually use a spell component, it does not? Only spells naturally of that level do? Am I understanding this correctly?

yes.

to say it clearly, the BASE SPELL is what is used to determine component/piety cost.

so my TF can spam maximized igms (requiring 9th circle slots) and not spend a single component

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

This is less of a problem than you might think- a vast majority of a TF's bread and butter are maximized and empowered spells, as several builds for the class include the possibility for both auto-quicken 3 (and quickened spells/haste pots before you get that) and hellball.

Wait a second... You mean if I empower or maximize a spell, and that raises it to a level that would usually use a spell component, it does not? Only spells naturally of that level do? Am I understanding this correctly?

yes.

to say it clearly, the BASE SPELL is what is used to determine component/piety cost.

so my TF can spam maximized igms (requiring 9th circle slots) and not spend a single component

Yep, which is why I made the comment about me showing off. Maximized/empowered firebrand, chain lightning, ice storm, and IGMS cover four different damage types (and two of them ignore evasion), making at least one of them a free, suitable option in nearly every single dungeon/wilderness/planar crawl. Bigby's Forceful hand on a full evocation caster can hit DC's upwards of 35 which is usable in plenty of dungeons, including against some dragons, although not often in 'properly geared' PvP.

Call me cheap, but every time I use 5 spell component charges in a dungeon, I'm thinking my share of loot just got 200 gold smaller- restraint is the word of the(every) day on my TF. If I'm using components it's because I think someone might die if I don't, or I've decided gold is no object regarding my current objective. The latter rarely happens.

[Dachlatte]

Unlimited spells at no costs?

Base spells using components, more powerful versions do not?

I had in mind that there were only a few of Mystra's chosen in the FR setting. And I don't remember that one (or maybe hundreds) are living on an Island called Arelith.

[Thalion]

Unlimited spells at no costs?

Base spells using components, more powerful versions do not?

I had in mind that there were only a few of Mystra's chosen in the FR setting. And I don't remember that one (or maybe hundreds) are living on an Island called Arelith.

to clarify, if the base spell does not use components, the metamagic for it wont either, but if the base spell does require components, then the metamagic will waswell