Kythana wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 4:21 pm
Anomandaris wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:43 pm
If the problem is players using ooc info that shouldn’t exist, why create more ooc info? There’s no perfect system, people aren’t even aware of the info on the wiki half the time.
At no point has the problem ever been players using OOC info that shouldn't exist. The problem, as specifically highlighted, is that it doesn't exist, and there is no intuitive way to learn ingame. These are things that often have 0 hints, and is just collective tribal knowledge. You can speak for yourself, but the wiki is a great tool to make the game more accessible in general, and plenty of people do use it as a great resource to understand how this works.
Regardless of whether players are and aren't aware, the information is there to understand and learn about a mechanical system in depth, instead of hopelessly speculating on what something does, why, whether it's correct. I've reported numerous bugs because something on the wiki says it works one way, but ingame it actually doesn't. I can't do that when something is FOIG, I have zero idea if it's working as intended, broken, bugged, or messed up in any way.
Given you can ask around and will absolutely be told these things IC, I don’t see a problem. No ones trying to hide some marginal blessing from ppl that I’ve seen. These things are fun for people to discover ic. We shouldn’t have access to perfect info like that, it’s kind of the point. And if you don’t have a boon and someone else does, you’ll likely never know and it won’t make a lick of difference.
I'll counter your own anecdotal experience with my own, in that, yes, I've absolutely seen problem players and faction that go out of their way to hide things that are "FOIG" for the purposes of gaining a one up on other players. Obscene gold farming methods are often hidden by said players as well, out of interest not to have it nerfed, as well as powerful builds that are not well known, and often outright exploits.
Probably the best example of this was the recent hood-checking controversy, which never explicitly stated that a primary reason for doing this was to bypass the godsave from disguises.
So your experience may not have shown that, but all that says to me is you're not looking hard enough, and you're not playing at high enough level to where this will make a difference. For the boons specifically, an extra 4 will save or 5 discipline (Which is what they give to some builds) is the difference between passing a save or knockdown attempt. That's pretty important, especially when you want to challenge exceptionally skilled players ingame.
MRFTW wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:58 pm
After the twentieth character or so, it can get quite difficult to remember which ones know the konami code and which ones don't.
I prefer IC solutions and this screams 'write a book about it' to me.
This is moving the goal posts. A book is not a maintainable solution. What happens month after you've moved on from that character, the spot is no longer actively played around, the book is stolen, destroyed, or simply never really discussed in the first place.
It also, once again, is a stopgap for newer players. You have hundreds if not thousands of books sitting around in libraries. Going through every single one to hopefully and eventually find something that gives some of unique benefit ingame is insane.
And just for my anecdotal experience, I've already done this. On a previous character, I specifically went around to multiple libraries, including Myon, Radiant Heart, Arcane Tower, and Guldorand's Winter Rest. And across the sixty-seventy books I read, and the hundreds I skimmed over, not once did I see a reference to any sort of FOIG info.
I'm not saying they aren't there, but they sure aren't obvious.
Azensor wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 2:52 pm
It takes only one person to write a ic book detailing the findings or info
Really? So in all the years Arelith has been out, do you think nobody has ever written a book about boons? And yet- This thread has had multiple comments now indicating that they have no idea what I'm even talking about when I refer to these.