Very true, any specific character or group can be specially countered. What those vulnerabilities are, are important to note.
What 3 person group would you build to generally be the most competent PvP group?
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Very true, any specific character or group can be specially countered. What those vulnerabilities are, are important to note.
Bard is the most underrated class in the history of NWN. No one really gets just how powerful this class is.
i am absolutely livid that this is the general belief
So you've thrown the gauntlet, now throw the build. Post a build that supports the viability of pure 30 bard.Tarkus the dog wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:22 amand then when socks brings up the information hoarding issue people give him the funny looks
There isn't one, lol.BobTheSkull wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:34 pmSo you've thrown the gauntlet, now throw the build. Post a build that supports the viability of pure 30 bard.Tarkus the dog wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:22 amand then when socks brings up the information hoarding issue people give him the funny looks
Yea there is a good argument for 15, honestly the only main difference is +1/-1 ACBobTheSkull wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:45 pmIt was an extended rhetorical question, my understanding is more than 16 bard on arelith is a bit wasted when it comes to song. Is the remaining to 20 that notable?
Though you make a very coming argument about pdk, that is a significant buff/debuff build. What are your thoughts on the possibility of throwing master Harper into that? 15Bard/5harper/10PDK. Same build but unlimited song.
Though with 20 levels of bard you can keep the song buff up permanently, but you could debuff with curse song more.
Obviously Harper comes with a limiting alignment/role play type.
Currently playing a pure bard. It's possible to get the level 30 bard song. It hurts, it takes scrounging just about every perform-boosting feat and bit of gear you can get your shaking, song-addicted hands on. But it's possible.
This is what I have noticed about a lot of people here. They go by what the "paper" says and not how it plays in game.Ork wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:42 amThere was a post not long ago that Tarkus went at lengths to defend his adoration of the L30 bard. The debuff to skills on top of the party buff means that your run of the mill WM suddenly can knockdown weakened AC & Disc foes with ease. Your enemy wants to use WoF or Mords? Whoops, they now have negative UMD. The level 30 bard is a disabler that while lackluster on paper ..really shines in PvP.
The only person I know of who played a pure 30 bard had +115 perform passively and did very, very well for themselves in parties. Tremendous songs, tons of haste castings, etc. A real treat to have around. And that isn't touching on how devastating curse song becomes in PvP with the massive penalties to skills.
The claim was "3 pure shadow dancers", so it'd be safe to assume they meant a shadow dancer heavy build (16 levels as standard).
I was trolling. Shadowdancers are prestige. They can't have 30 levels. They are also crap in PvP. That's the joke.
Tarkus the dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:40 pmI figured, but hey, there is always more about this game that I haven't figured out yet!
What is the best counter and/or way to beat a pure 30 druid and/or a 26/4 totem monk druid?
Well druids in general can be handled a lot easier after debuffing them. The pure 30 druid, though considered to be a stronger than the vastly inferior totem druid monk, lacks discipline and is vulnerable to knockdown via true strike potion and, or debuff. Druids also cant debuff you while staying polymorphed. I'd honestly ask someone more PvP experienced. Asking druids themselves as they know what they lose toBobTheSkull wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:32 pmWhat is the best counter and/or way to beat a pure 30 druid and/or a 26/4 totem monk druid?
You got tools to neutralize summons, debuff them and keep yourself healed up. If they ever polymorph, a pure druid could be knockdown bait.