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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Halibutthead » Tue May 19, 2020 10:44 pm

Gouge Away wrote:
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I swear one reason for lack of preparedness is a few people in any group (at least outside of tight-knit factions) always insist on being pushy and rushing ahead leaving no one else any time to prepare or even catch their breath. That even goes for buffs, I wonder how many people who complain about not getting them actually stand still long enough for them to be doled out.
but if i don't rush ahead of the party and show off how many things i can kill and what big numbers i can put in the right side chatbox, how will you know how cool and awesome i am!? i'm clearly not in this party to play with others, else i'd wait!

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Gouge Away » Tue May 19, 2020 11:10 pm

Blood on my Lips wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:37 pm
Gouge Away wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:32 pm
Some people in groups want to rush to wherever you're going and don't give anyone else time to prepare or will leave them behind if they do.
I used to be in a PvP guild in another game. I'm always prepared. After every trip I restock my healing kits, pots, wands, lenses, etc. It shouldn't be too hard to do since you probably just collected your share of the loot and sales.
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That's fine, but it doesn't mean you can't give people a chance to top off their supplies before they go. Maybe they didn't have time to restock after the last dungeon. Usually after a 2 hr epic trip I desperately have to get back to something or other in RL and don't have time to hang out and restock, just as one example.

Same goes for buffs, now that I think about it. Seems like a lot of time I have been swept into parties with my solo spellbook prepared and am not given time to swap in buffs and rest, at least not until some resting point mid dungeon.

I'm not saying any of this is universally true in every case of course *shrugs*

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Blood on my Lips » Tue May 19, 2020 11:34 pm

Gouge Away wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:32 pm

That's fine, but it doesn't mean you can't give people a chance to top off their supplies before they go. Maybe they didn't have time to restock after the last dungeon. Usually after a 2 hr epic trip I desperately have to get back to something or other in RL and don't have time to hang out and restock, just as one example.

Same goes for buffs, now that I think about it. Seems like a lot of time I have been swept into parties with my solo spellbook prepared and am not given time to swap in buffs and rest, at least not until some resting point mid dungeon.

I'm not saying any of this is universally true in every case of course *shrugs*
You're assuming I don't. I'm a Mom. I will tell everyone in my party OOC, to take 15 minutes to get their supplies, visit the bathroom, and pour a drink.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by versus » Wed May 20, 2020 10:36 am

If being by yourself makes you happy, then you do you, just remember that your RP likely isn't worth overcoming the obstacles you've placed around yourself, and so you'll probably find yourself increasingly lonely until you quit.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Hedgehog » Wed May 20, 2020 11:16 am

This isn't even something I think about to be honest. If I'm grouped up with someone, I'll gladly use whichever wands and wards I have available to assist with my group in order to most easily/effectively complete the task or mission at hand. Though really, I think that's more or less what I signed up for when I made the character I made, and involved myself in the factions I'm in.

I guess it also all depends on what you yourself want out of the game. Do you want to continue walking down the same street giving money to the same beggars?
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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by a shrouded figure » Wed May 20, 2020 12:01 pm

I’m always a little annoyed when I group with a caster that doesn’t know how to /not/ solo. All they do is spam AOE spells ahead of the melee (or on the melee sometimes). Because remember, they can’t be bothered to buff - they need to be prepared. lol

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by AstralUniverse » Wed May 20, 2020 4:11 pm

It's very important to be prepared and consider your party members (which you need for your survival, so preparing them is a part of your preparation in a sense) when you prepare because the wilderness of FR is very dangerous and intense. If you dont RP preparing and discussing strategies with your party members before departing, you should be ready to get all sorts of surprises and differences in playstyles, and lazy players, etc etc.

When I 'join forces' with someone I dont know, IC, I will either make sure I'm self sufficient for the area we're at, or I will stop and RP about it before moving further. It doesnt matter if my character is LG paladin or doesnt care about gold and loot, or if I'm playing a big brute that does all the heavy lifting by myself anyway, I WILL find a way to make it relevant for my character to discuss strategies and make sure the rest of the party isnt a dead-weight.
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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Moonlandergames » Wed May 20, 2020 5:20 pm

I feel this thread has honestly swerved way off the point I made the post. This was not to be a end all, be all guide on how to act, play, or help others nor was it seeking to be. Nor was it a complaint of people not being "Efficient". It was more of a vent and honestly to joke of the extremities of the situation... not to dissect the every detail of every possibility that someone may face in being prepared and how to answer that.

I do think some interesting topics were brought up such as people rushing ahead and how to deal with things in character, Also the role of casters and their expectations to and for the party. However, I think those topics are much better tackled in a different thread then here.

if you want my answer about buffs, I believe what I said in my first post in that you "As the non warding character" should have what you need to function and that things unnecessary or unique such as freedom of movement or a healer regen is fine to ask for. As for arguments of "Mages have better version via extended mass haste vs a haste wand and Greater Invisibility so they should give me it so I dont have to use weaker versions.".... Cool when they have it and are willing to give it then its a treat. I'll be prepared and have my wands in case that there is no mage and be glad when there is one and choose to give it.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Aleilsum Ellrum » Thu May 21, 2020 10:28 pm

I'm a Mom. I will tell everyone in my party OOC, to take 15 minutes to get their supplies, visit the bathroom, and pour a drink
That is such a Mom thing to do :D

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by CrystalRL » Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Aleilsum Ellrum wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:28 pm
I'm a Mom. I will tell everyone in my party OOC, to take 15 minutes to get their supplies, visit the bathroom, and pour a drink
That is such a Mom thing to do :D
I do this too. /o\

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by -XXX- » Sat May 23, 2020 10:22 am

Just telling people that they are bad at the game won't make them better.

Nobody should be required to be good at the game in order to participate.

Even if your party members do not exactly represent a tangible mechanical boost to the party at the moment... their presence still beats than their absence.
I mean... what's the worst case scenario here? Having your own personal cheerleading squad during soloing? That still sounds pretty rad to me!

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Babylon System is the Vampire » Sat May 23, 2020 12:28 pm

-XXX- wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:22 am
Just telling people that they are bad at the game won't make them better.

Nobody should be required to be good at the game in order to participate.

Even if your party members do not exactly represent a tangible mechanical boost to the party at the moment... their presence still beats than their absence.
I mean... what's the worst case scenario here? Having your own personal cheerleading squad during soloing? That still sounds pretty rad to me!
This sums up my thoughts on this subject better then I ever could have in my own words. Those cheerleaders even give you more xp.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Aradin » Sat May 23, 2020 1:25 pm

-XXX- wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:22 am
Just telling people that they are bad at the game won't make them better.

Nobody should be required to be good at the game in order to participate.

Even if your party members do not exactly represent a tangible mechanical boost to the party at the moment... their presence still beats than their absence.
I mean... what's the worst case scenario here? Having your own personal cheerleading squad during soloing? That still sounds pretty rad to me!
Love all of this. A+ mentality.

Edit: Though I get that people play Arelith for different reasons. What some players might find enjoyable cheerleading, others might find annoying dead weight.
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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by xanrael » Sat May 23, 2020 6:32 pm

-XXX- wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:22 am
Even if your party members do not exactly represent a tangible mechanical boost to the party at the moment... their presence still beats than their absence.
I mean... what's the worst case scenario here? Having your own personal cheerleading squad during soloing? That still sounds pretty rad to me!
Just considering the "being prepared" side of things, people who are death prone due to lack of supplies plus bad choices can bring down the whole experience. If they do die you either burn through limited resurrection supplies, turn back, or they can sit in Fugue for a long time. None of those are great options so you might end up watching them like a hawk with your finger hovering over the heal kit hotkey.

I'm not saying being a hero and saving someone in a clutch moment isn't nice, but when these moments happen every other pack of mobs you may begin to wonder if this writ is actually a tedious escort quest.

I'm someone that goes out of my way to work with people my character meets on the road but about a third of the time I'm thinking part way through our group "I really wish I had just passed them by."

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Wuthering » Sat May 23, 2020 8:34 pm

Things like this change when you lead by example, not by complaining about how lame your fellow players are on the forums.

Should also consider a lot of characters are casual players or alts that come and go. That's just how it is and they're probably more likely to not be as invested in the game or the character they're playing at the moment as you are yours.

It's probably never a good idea to take on something really difficult with randos. Pick-up groups are best for stuff you already know you can handle. There's nothing wrong with picking and choosing your adventuring partners and leaving people out if they seem risky.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by sarithia » Sat May 23, 2020 8:44 pm

Wuthering wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:34 pm
Things like this change when you lead by example, not by complaining about how lame your fellow players are on the forums.

Should also consider a lot of characters are casual players or alts that come and go. That's just how it is and they're probably more likely to not be as invested in the game or the character they're playing at the moment as you are yours.

It's probably never a good idea to take on something really difficult with randos. Pick-up groups are best for stuff you already know you can handle. There's nothing wrong with picking and choosing your adventuring partners and leaving people out if they seem risky.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Good Character » Sun May 24, 2020 2:47 am

This sounds ridiculously game-y. The expectation of players to be prepared, rather than questioning what their character would and wouldn't do. Mind you, I enjoy theorycrafting and leveling.

As others have pointed out, what if my character is lazy or forgetful or foolish? Should it not be addressed IC?

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by xanrael » Sun May 24, 2020 4:08 am

Not having any preparation seems odd from an IC perspective. It's not like forgetting to check the gas gauge of your car where you might have to walk to a gas station, being under-prepared gets you killed.

I suspect it has more to do that we as players know that death is a minor inconvenience that fuels suicidal laziness than IC thoughts.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Gouge Away » Sun May 24, 2020 7:14 pm

xanrael wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 4:08 am
Not having any preparation seems odd from an IC perspective. It's not like forgetting to check the gas gauge of your car where you might have to walk to a gas station, being under-prepared gets you killed.

I suspect it has more to do that we as players know that death is a minor inconvenience that fuels suicidal laziness than IC thoughts.
You're probably right. I also think a lot just comes from players logging out when they're tired after a long session with depleted supplies and log back in a few days later forgetting the character was out of healing kits or lenses. It happens and it's crazy people are making such a big deal of it here, this is just a silly leisure activity at the end of the day. Just make a habit of stocking up before going out and even more important give others time too.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by ReverentBlade » Mon May 25, 2020 10:22 am

This sounds like the definition of a problem to be handled IC. Its okay to RP a martial elitist or a professional adventurer. Its also okay to RP a sloppy or lazy one. Harangue them in character for being noobs.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by dallion43 » Tue May 26, 2020 9:27 pm

It's always worth it to invest into unprepared PCs the first time it happens even if you are IC evil etc.
RP it as possible additional pawn etc.

Why? Nwn community is small as it is. He might be new, not mechanical savvy, coming from MMO culture, simply forgot, etc, etc.

It is somewhat like investing in Arelith.
Not to mention it beats clearing same dungeon alone on autodrive anyday.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by godhand- » Tue May 26, 2020 9:57 pm

Currently playing a healpath of Red Knight - godess of strategy.
If there was ever a character to help people in dungeons, its her, although, she does it entirely unwholesomely...

eg: On a recent trip down into the underdark... "Don't touch the (FOIG), they are poison" - And if they do it once, i heal them, but give them a final warning, "If you step near the (FOIG) again, and breathe in a poison cloud, i won't heal you next time"

People learn quickly when your main boon for them is taken away, but you're also giving them an IC opportunity to learn and improve.
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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Exordius » Wed May 27, 2020 3:56 am

Hmpf its almost impossible not to step on those shrooms especially during a battle or while being chased by a ton of mobs lol. :)

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by Ork » Wed May 27, 2020 6:15 pm

I typically avoid dead weight. As elitist as this is, I can't really abide people not knowing how to play this 15+ year old game.

One of the most important jobs a player has at any PnP table is to know how your character/class/abilities work. Arelith is no different.

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Re: Pet Peev- Being Prepared

Post by -XXX- » Wed May 27, 2020 6:50 pm

Technically, this is a 2 year old game though... :P
...and there's probably a considerable number of players who picked up NWN only after its EE release.

Either way, players are not required to be 100% mechanically savvy in order to play. Asking them to uphold arbitrary standards before they can team up with you means placing an extra demand... and nobody should be berated if that's not met.

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