Mudane, -UCL and Create Undead Scrolls/Sequencers

[Helsing]

So there's a command called -ucl, if you are mudane you will have only Tier 1 UCL, so if you use Create Undead scrolls or from a sequencer you can only get small lvl 1 undeads, meanwhile a Summon Creature IX scroll gives you an Elder element. Is this expected or a bug? If not a bug, create undead scrolls are totally useless for mudanes now.

Description
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Steps to reproduce
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lvl 30 mudane only has 1 UCL, and cast Create Undead from scrolls or sequencers.

Expected result
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Scroll probably shall has it's own UCL so it can function normally by a mudane, since other summon creature scrolls works correctly, create undead scrolls should not summon tier 1 rats.

Actual result
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Only summons Tier 1 undeads.

Which Server(s)?
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PGCC

[Helsing]

Hmm no Mudane Loremaster find this same issue? Wonder when this can be fix so mudane can summon undead normally.

[MissEvelyn]

I think it's intentional that level 30 Commoners can't summon Vampire Lords.

[Helsing]

I think it's intentional that level 30 Commoners can't summon Vampire Lords.

But summon creature IX does summon an elder element isn't it? My point is Create Undead/Greater Undead scroll should have a initial ucl that be used for summon, same as sequencer. For example create undead scroll summons T3, greater undead summons T5, but all scrolls are useless now because they only summons T1 undeads for mudane.

This seems to be an oversight for the new undead stream update for me.

[Mattamue]

The summon line of spells doesn't have a special caster level. You may have feedback here, but it isn't a bug that summon 1-9 works differently from animate, create, and create greater dead.

[Helsing]

but it isn't a bug that summon 1-9 works differently from animate, create, and create greater dead.

Summon 1-9 works different from create undead now, as summon use scroll's CL, create undead use your ucl.

[Mattamue]

Summon 1-9 works different from create undead now

Summon 1-9 has worked different from create undead since before 2017.

as summon use scroll's CL

Summon 1-9 scrolls don't use the scroll's CL. Assuming you're using CL here to mean caster level.

create undead use your ucl.

Create undead does use this special other stat of undead caster level. It isn't a bug that ucl is different from summon 1-9 spells. Remember that you're posting in the bug forum.

Switching gears. I'm not saying you don't have a point. There may be some good feedback you could make that ucl could benefit from being increased in more places. Right now UCL boosts only come from animate dead casters, pale masters, dire singers, and blackguards.

You could make a feedback post that 25 warrior 5 loremaster should be able to summon more powerful undead. Technically that build could stack enough lore to use summon 9 scrolls or gate scrolls. Maybe the Loremaster Necromancy greater secret could add some ucl scaling for example. Or maybe the feedback should be 90 lore to be able to summon the most powerful undead, same as gate.

[In Sorrow We Trust]

.Maybe the Loremaster Necromancy greater secret could add some ucl scaling for example.

Already does.