Arelith

What does tracked by effect mean, exactly?

It means that if a level 30 cast upon you the effect caster level is level 30

If a level 5 caster casts an effect on you it's caster level is 5 (plus any modifiers)

Instead of it being the hit dice of the creator (with modifiers) and if they're not available the hit dice of the dispelled. (or highest casting class level if they're a spellcaster)

What does that mean for mundane PCs who use wands and potions?

As I understand it, it will only have an impact upon spells cast upon you by others.

Spells you cast upon yourself should work exactly the same way they did before the update.

Rei_Jin wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 3:01 pm

What does that mean for mundane PCs who use wands and potions?

Spells from items work the same way as they did before.

Morderon wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 4:15 pm

Rather than me slapping out another thread. Will buffs carry over servers now that spellbooks and cooldowns do?

My impression before was that if I made a 20bard/10xxx and didnt cast from my spellbook I would be counted as lvl 30 mundane for spell resistance with spells cast from items.

However if the same build cast from their spellbook EVERYTHING became level 20.

Is it now the case that my items will be level 30 mundane for spell resistance but my bard spells are level 20?

As another example, with the new changes if my 27pally/3 bard cast from spellbooks, will items be 30, pally spells 27, bard spells 3. Or is it 27/27/3.

Will a 27fighter/3bard (imagine) cast from spellbook will items be 30, bard spells 3? Or 3/3?

Just trying to figure out when the mundane tag comes in and if I'm better buffing from items on my spellcaster and if my mundanes with a dip spellcaster class still need to avoid casting.

Items remain total hitdice, unless if you casted a spell then they're the highest casting class.


So if you dipped remain not casting.

Awesome, thanks!

If you cast does the lowered resist DC follow across multiple servers, and will it be fixed on a reset?

So effectively.. 30 Mundane will have higher Dispell Resistance than say, 27/3 caster (Say, 27/3 Wizard/Bard), if they use wand/Scroll? That seems.. A bit strange? o.O

Talvenlapsi wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:25 pm

So effectively.. 30 Mundane will have higher Dispell Resistance than say, 27/3 caster, if they use wand/Scroll? That seems.. A bit strange? o.O

I believe this has been the case for a while. Not new with the update.

TooManyPotatoes wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:27 pm

Talvenlapsi wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:25 pm

So effectively.. 30 Mundane will have higher Dispell Resistance than say, 27/3 caster, if they use wand/Scroll? That seems.. A bit strange? o.O

I believe this has been the case for a while. Not new with the update.

Yes, this is how it has always worked.

Flower Power wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 pm

TooManyPotatoes wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:27 pm

Talvenlapsi wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:25 pm

So effectively.. 30 Mundane will have higher Dispell Resistance than say, 27/3 caster, if they use wand/Scroll? That seems.. A bit strange? o.O

I believe this has been the case for a while. Not new with the update.

Yes, this is how it has always worked.

But most people haven't always known. Their surprise is absolutely understandable, as it really doesn't make any sense that a caster is easier to dispel than someone who's never picked up a spell book before.

MissEvelyn wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:17 pm

Flower Power wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 pm

TooManyPotatoes wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:27 pm

I believe this has been the case for a while. Not new with the update.

Yes, this is how it has always worked.

But most people haven't always known. Their surprise is absolutely understandable, as it really doesn't make any sense that a caster is easier to dispel than someone who's never picked up a spell book before.

Which is why it should be hit die minus if mundane. I get needing mundane CL for dispel resistance needing to be high for balance, but why 30? Going for a CL of 26-28 would be way more balanced... Why not HD-3... still don't understand this...

Given that this argument comes up every single time anyone mentions dispel on this forum, I'd guess most people are well aware.

That said, question answered, thank you!

i am begging someone to lock this so it doesn't turn into another mundane cl forum bingo

Jordenk wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:52 pm

MissEvelyn wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:17 pm

Flower Power wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 pm

Yes, this is how it has always worked.

But most people haven't always known. Their surprise is absolutely understandable, as it really doesn't make any sense that a caster is easier to dispel than someone who's never picked up a spell book before.

Which is why it should be hit die minus if mundane. I get needing mundane CL for dispel resistance needing to be high for balance, but why 30? Going for a CL of 26-28 would be way more balanced... Why not HD-3... still don't understand this...

please stop this. We've explained it to you before sooooo many times on discord and on past threads and now it's bordering trolling at this point.

AstralUniverse wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:33 am

Jordenk wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:52 pm

MissEvelyn wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:17 pm

But most people haven't always known. Their surprise is absolutely understandable, as it really doesn't make any sense that a caster is easier to dispel than someone who's never picked up a spell book before.

Which is why it should be hit die minus if mundane. I get needing mundane CL for dispel resistance needing to be high for balance, but why 30? Going for a CL of 26-28 would be way more balanced... Why not HD-3... still don't understand this...

please stop this. We've explained it to you before sooooo many times on discord and on past threads and now it's bordering trolling at this point.

Uh I've never talked about this on Discord, I'm not sure who you're confusing me with. But ok.

Morderon wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 2:42 pm

It means that if a level 30 cast upon you the effect caster level is level 30

If a level 5 caster casts an effect on you it's caster level is 5 (plus any modifiers)

Instead of it being the hit dice of the creator (with modifiers) and if they're not available the hit dice of the dispelled. (or highest casting class level if they're a spellcaster)

Oh, neat. Thanks for explaining it so simply even my potato brain can understand.
I guess I was just confused because I thought this was already the case.

Sounds good!

Jordenk wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:41 am

AstralUniverse wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:33 am

Jordenk wrote: ↑

Mon May 31, 2021 6:52 pm

Which is why it should be hit die minus if mundane. I get needing mundane CL for dispel resistance needing to be high for balance, but why 30? Going for a CL of 26-28 would be way more balanced... Why not HD-3... still don't understand this...

please stop this. We've explained it to you before sooooo many times on discord and on past threads and now it's bordering trolling at this point.

Uh I've never talked about this on Discord, I'm not sure who you're confusing me with. But ok.

In a nutshell. It would be the most obnoxious and most unncessary buff to all casters with dispels, and then you'd need to balance the entire server again (and some items! not just classes) from 0, after we've come so far in the past 2 years. All of the sake of T H E M A T I C S. Nope. Just no. And since I remember we talked about this before here on the forums, I may have confused your name with someone else on discord, so my bad there mate