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Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by BlackTemplar » Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:48 pm

I do not seem to be getting any of the bonuses. I have multicalssed but I cant find anywhere it says you lose out for doing so.

4 Wizard/10 Palemaster/3 Loremaster with specialist I believe this should equal UCL 17 tier 5 but only getting tier 4

Also I don't seem to be getting the double stat bonus for GSF necro or the spell resistance.

I probably just missed something but have scoured the wiki and forums to only find a post stating the same as mine but never responding with their build when asked.

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Re: Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by WanderingPoet » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:23 pm

I assume you have GSF Necromancy to get the spell resistance? Notably you'd only get 19 spell resistance on your summons from necromancer which would not stack with the 16 from palemaster (higher would apply).

Can't really speak to the double stat bonus, as I'm not sure how you tested that. Did you look before and after leveling up and taking GSF Necromancy?

I think there is a custom readout to view your undead caster level in the rest menu that you might want to try; see what level it thinks you are.

But going by this, I would expect you to have UCL16 (4 wiz + 10PM +2 necro), as I don't expect Loremaster to apply. This would put you as UCL16 and tier 4
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Re: Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by BlackTemplar » Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:17 pm

It is possible Loremaster doesnt count I was going off this on the wiki part of ucl

"UCL is the highest individual casting class Caster Level capable of summoning undead natively (including additive Caster Level prestige classes like Palemaster and Loremaster where relevant, see the prestige class for more details)."

I think this means the +1 CL from the first level counts but I didnt see anything about UCL specifically.

Using the AC posted on the wiki for Rothulk abomination 18, I get 21 when Summoned (SF + GSF + ESF). Should be 22 if I understand the specialist wording which I realize now might be just the attribute stats.

After restarting game the Spell resistance does seem to be right now.

I appreciate the response and helping me understand. I would not be surprised if I miss interpreted anything.

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Re: Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by WanderingPoet » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:46 pm

Ah to my understanding the wiki is out of date, so there's no guarantee that the stats listed are correct! That said going by your math, I agree that it doesn't look to be applying properly. Maybe -transfer to the pgcc and delevel to before you took the GSF and do some testing? If it's not applying I'd suggest making a bug report.

Unlike Palemaster, Loremaster doesn't specify the UCL on it's page. But you're right that the Summoning Changes does say otherwise! So I'm not sure,

You can use -ucl to tell what your max tier is, but it doesn't look like there is a way to see what your UCL is, like I thought. But that's my best guess, that you're at 16 rather than 17. Might really be worth just checking on the pgcc to see if one more wizard level gives you T5.

Fortunately with Mummy Dust it is irrelevant... But it'd be nice to know why it isn't working and see the bug fixed :)
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Re: Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by BlackTemplar » Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:54 pm

Ahh fair enough got another level and took wizard would put me at the 17 UCL with the specialist bonus, assuming the loremaster doesn't count and that is exactly it. Lore master doesn't count for UCL at least the 1st level caster bonus doesn't.

Will test on the PGCC to the stats later on. Wiki being out of date is perfectly fine blows my mind how good it is 99% of the time so glad I understand thanks again for responses.

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Re: Necromancy Specialist No bonus

Post by WanderingPoet » Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:16 am

You're welcome!

That said, part of the wiki -does- state that it should count, and part doesn't. So hopefully a dev can weigh in on it for an official answer, and you can post here to let the wikicrew know there is an error!
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