Zen archery and a wood elf who knows not how to shoot

[xf1313]

Hi, does anyone know why wood elf can suddenly forgot how to use a bow after Zen Archery feat is picked? Happen in PGCC and official servers.

Steps to reproduce this issue

1. Make a woodelf cleric
2. He can shoot
3. Zen Archery
4. He forgets he has bow proficiency and suffer -8 ab

[Darkstorn42]

Going to need way more details on what you mean 'forgets how to aim'

[xf1313]

as in, when I equip a bow, I suffer -8 ab penalty. Which should not happen in any case, elfs have bow proficiency.

[silverpheonix]

as in, when I equip a bow, I suffer -8 ab penalty. Which should not happen in any case, elfs have bow proficiency.

Are you moving around or standing still?

[Ping14]

Are you mounted when you equipped the longbow?

[xf1313]

as in, when I equip a bow, I suffer -8 ab penalty. Which should not happen in any case, elfs have bow proficiency.

Are you moving around or standing still?

I was certainly standing still, and tried multiple times

[xf1313]

Are you mounted when you equipped the longbow?

Not mounted, just standing there, seems zen archery did cause me to lose bow proficiency.

[silverpheonix]

Are you mounted when you equipped the longbow?

Not mounted, just standing there, seems zen archery did cause me to lose bow proficiency.

This sounds like a bug report. You should include screenshots and details.

[Darkstorn42]

Are you sure you are a wood elf? Wild and aquatic don't get longbow. Some screen shots might help us.

[xf1313]

Are you sure you are a wood elf? Wild and aquatic don't get longbow. Some screen shots might help us.

I do not know how to include the screen shot, when I tried attachment it failed. And I am very certain it is woodelf

[LivelyParticle]

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[Svrtr]

What path are you?

As a reminder, some paths such as healer path lose all weapon proficiencies except simple, ones gained from race included

[xf1313]

What path are you?

As a reminder, some paths such as healer path lose all weapon proficiencies except simple, ones gained from race included

That'd explain the problem, I am a healer priest. Is that intended or just a bug.

[Darkstorn42]

What path are you?

As a reminder, some paths such as healer path lose all weapon proficiencies except simple, ones gained from race included

That'd explain the problem, I am a healer priest. Is that intended or just a bug.

That is intended and in the description of the healer path on the wiki. If using a bow is that important to you, then -relevel and choose a different cleric path.

[Kalthariam]

Healer Clerics get basically everything taken away from them. From Wisdom to AC, to Armor, to all weapons except magic staves.

It's unfortunate, because it's not a particularly potent cleric path anymore.

[Yensent]

Healer Clerics get basically everything taken away from them. From Wisdom to AC, to Armor, to all weapons except magic staves.

It's unfortunate, because it's not a particularly potent cleric path anymore.

It is just not very offensive focused. It can push a group through some of the most difficult content in the game, so saying it's not potent is just wildly off base. If you want some help building a healer cleric and what options they do have, feel free to message me on here or on the discord. (@Minerva in the arelith discord)

[silverpheonix]

Healer clerics evaporate undead mobs, too.

[Kalthariam]

I play a Healer Cleric.

I am very aware of their shortcomings and their advantages.

I just am very much of the opinion the advantages are heavily outweighed by the fact there is an ungodly amount of consumables openly available to basically everyone, which greatly diminishes the purpose of a Healer Cleric.

As a Vatican Caster, not only are they only relegated to being Buff bots, but even half their protective spells and healing abilities can just be completely replaced by consumables, that are not hard to get ahold of.

Not to mention they get no multi classing synergy, so every level you take into another class you diminish your ward strength which in reality is basically your only purpose in most group content, unlike many other casters whom get even partial scaling to try to allow them the flexibility to multi class without butchering their Caster level.

I am simply of the opinion that the healer path for cleric gives up a significant amount of class features for what sometimes feels as completely lackluster bonuses, they used to have more going for them, but over time their effectiveness has waned, their class features have been split up from their path to domains, and half their functionality is completely replaced by the endless amount of scrolls, potions, wands and other things that everyone gets access too anyways.

Is blowing up undead fun and cool? Yes. Yes it is, but I cannot say I've been in content on my Healer path cleric that remotely ever felt like "Dang, we would not have been able to do this if I wasn't here, I'm glad I came along." It's generally always "Okay, I've put my buffs on the martial characters, I will now just watch, because everything is now being overrun, the martials are so powerful most mobs cannot break through the overhealing, and my conjurations just get in the way." Literally just as effective just warding the party and not being there as I am being there and just watching.

[Yensent]

I play a Healer Cleric.

I am very aware of their shortcomings and their advantages.

I just am very much of the opinion the advantages are heavily outweighed by the fact there is an ungodly amount of consumables openly available to basically everyone, which greatly diminishes the purpose of a Healer Cleric.

As a Vatican Caster, not only are they only relegated to being Buff bots, but even half their protective spells and healing abilities can just be completely replaced by consumables, that are not hard to get ahold of.

Not to mention they get no multi classing synergy, so every level you take into another class you diminish your ward strength which in reality is basically your only purpose in most group content, unlike many other casters whom get even partial scaling to try to allow them the flexibility to multi class without butchering their Caster level.

I am simply of the opinion that the healer path for cleric gives up a significant amount of class features for what sometimes feels as completely lackluster bonuses, they used to have more going for them, but over time their effectiveness has waned, their class features have been split up from their path to domains, and half their functionality is completely replaced by the endless amount of scrolls, potions, wands and other things that everyone gets access too anyways.

Is blowing up undead fun and cool? Yes. Yes it is, but I cannot say I've been in content on my Healer path cleric that remotely ever felt like "Dang, we would not have been able to do this if I wasn't here, I'm glad I came along." It's generally always "Okay, I've put my buffs on the martial characters, I will now just watch, because everything is now being overrun, the martials are so powerful most mobs cannot break through the overhealing, and my conjurations just get in the way." Literally just as effective just warding the party and not being there as I am being there and just watching.

Certainly, sometimes I can feel that way, too. Depends on the group, mostly. Perhaps it's a lack of variety of builds your friends play. Because I love playing with people who have glass cannon builds, gives me a ton to do.

I would love to see more difficult end game areas, like the elf-island, as an answer to this. Imo, we are very strong at what we do, but what we do isn't always needed. Two different things entirely. To your last point, I have been in content where they group would not have made it through without me. Not every day, but at least a few times every month.

In any case, I apologize, I thought your reply was from the OP. I would not have offered advice to you, you've been playing a healer character for a while, and I know that. I wasn't trying to be condescending. I do feel as though healers are potent in what we do, but there isn't always the right content for us to be included on that will let us be useful, especially if you play with a bunch of people who have real builds and know what they're doing.

In any case, this isn't what the thread is for. I'll post in cleric feedback sometime soon.