Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Discussions related to character builds and mechanics may occur here.

Moderators: Forum Moderators, Active DMs

Post Reply
TheButterflyWheel
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:09 pm

Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Post by TheButterflyWheel » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:13 pm

Hello there!
I need some help making a viable Nighthag warlock that has atleast 4 levels of Loremaster to have knowledge of scrying.

Ideally summon focused as opposed to blast. :)
But happy to go with whatever is recommended to get the most possible I can from the build.

Thank you in advance! :D

Spriggan Bride
Posts: 182
Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:28 pm
Location: Urdlen's Wake

Re: Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Post by Spriggan Bride » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:23 pm

Something I just worked up. You may as well go 25 Warlock/5 Loremaster since 26 warlock doesn't get an extra feat or anything and 5 loremaster gives you 2 caster levels and another greater secret knowledge. Not claiming this is the most powerful version of your idea you could play but it should be doable.

Charisma based caster hag/undying pact, you get unlimited tier 6 undead and would use sleep+nightmare combo on anything vulnerable to it:

1 hag pact
1 skill focus: lore
1 (IF HUMAN- free feat, scribe scroll? blind fight if you wanna blast?)
3 spell focus: enchant
5 undying pact
6 greater spell focus: enchant
9 spell focus: necro
10 greater hag pact
12 greater spell focus: necro
15 greater undying pact
15 spell focus: illusion
18 greater spell focus: illusion
20 epic hag pact
21 (free epic feat, +cha or esf:skill)
24 (free epic feat, +cha or esf:skill or dark invocation: planar gate?)
24 epic undying pact
25 (warlock 24, loremaster 1) (no feat)
26 (warlock 25, loremaster 2) (loremaster lesser knowledge: whatever)
27 (warlock 24, loremaster 3) (free epic feat, +cha or esf:skill or dark invocation: eldritch veil?) (loremaster lesser knowledge: whatever)
28 (warlock 24, loremaster 4) (loremaster greater knowledge: scry)
29 (warlock 24, loremaster 5) (loremaster greater knowledge: whatever)
30 (warlock 25, loremaster 5) (free epic feat, +cha or esf:skill)
30 (warlock 25, loremaster 5) (another epic warlock feat -- dark invocation?)

Hag/Fey would be also work and probably be better in the end than hag/undying (just trade necro spell focuses out and put in transmutation) but undying would probably be easiest to level.

AstralUniverse
Posts: 2723
Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:54 pm

Re: Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Post by AstralUniverse » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:14 am

playing a warlock without a special blast like Chain, Doom, Hideous (Doom in this case since cha based) would be agony. Leveling with basically infi casts of vamps (since you can just get a lot of CGU scrolls, their CL is irrelevant) is alright but they struggle to clear end-game content on their own, investing in Doom blast would allow you to heal them while dealing damage in aoe and it's more valuable than grabbing a second pact because you dont have that many spells to select so having a giant pool of infi spells has a diminishing return.

Because we're talking about a build with 5 loremaster levels, Eldritch summon is obviously out of the question, as you cannot reach the epic one. That leaves you quite reliant on having tier 6 undead for summon option and thus I dont recommend 25/5 without undying (unless you're doing a max sail build with Fathomless but that's a special case that doesnt care about regular combat all that much). If you really must go Hag *and* loremaster then idk how to make it work. Maybe with EDR 3 and greater doom blast to clear groups with aoe and tankiness without summons, but I'm not sure about that one.
Svrtr wrote:

I've spoken with Kenji and warpriest will be allowed to take elemental avatar so keep this in mind too


Spriggan Bride
Posts: 182
Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:28 pm
Location: Urdlen's Wake

Re: Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Post by Spriggan Bride » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:53 am

Here's one more that could work if you want a blaster. You're doing 50+ per shot which is decent and there's a fair chance you'll sleep a target for a round or so which you could potentially kill with phantasmal killer or get with a nightmare. Summons would be shadows and planar gate and you could take dominate spells too. It's not the greatest warlock but isn't useless.

Need: 20 dex, 16 int, 24 charisma at the end... Halfling is a good race to pick

1 hag pact
1 blindfight
3 spell focus: enchant
5 eldritch mastery
6 greater spell focus: enchant
9 spell focus: illusion
10 greater hag pact
12 greater spell focus: illusion
15 (free warlock feat... maybe eldritch spear)
15 (free general feat- toughness, scribe scroll or brew potion?)
18 spell focus lore
20 epic hag pact
21 great charisma 1
24 dark invocation: planar gate
24 greater eldritch mastery
25 (warlock 24, loremaster 1) (no feat)
26 (warlock 25, loremaster 2) (loremaster lesser knowledge: whatever)
27 (warlock 24, loremaster 3) (free epic feat, +cha or esf:skill) (loremaster lesser knowledge: whatever)
28 (warlock 24, loremaster 4) (loremaster greater knowledge: scry)
29 (warlock 24, loremaster 5) (loremaster greater knowledge: whatever)
30 (warlock 25, loremaster 5) agonizing blast
30 (warlock 25, loremaster 5) (another epic warlock feat -- dark invocation: eldritch veil)

TheButterflyWheel
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:09 pm

Re: Help with viable Nighthag warlock/Loremaster (scrying)

Post by TheButterflyWheel » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:53 am

Thank you so much for all your responses! I shall get to playing with them on PGCC. Very appreciated. :)

Post Reply