Re: Strength based spellswords lagging behind
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:03 am
I've felt that way since I played a spellmonk a while back and every time I looked at the class on the excel spreedsheet and tried to build something.
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I've felt that way since I played a spellmonk a while back and every time I looked at the class on the excel spreedsheet and tried to build something.
I cant see that working out without giving it a Hexblade treatment, as in, limiting some of it's damage abilities to STR based characters only. Otherwise, you've just buffed dex swash/ss for no reason. Tricky stuff. So back to leaving everything as is and playing nagi spellmonks.Papi J wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:33 amI don't think it's necessary but you could disable true strike enabling imbues on every hit if the character has monk levels. This could possibly open a route to stronger imbues not breaking the class, so you don't get whacked 10-11 times by powerful imbues while in a timestop + true strike from a spellmonk.
With the nerf, it’s actually kinda rare that naginata is a good weapon. It also forces you to quad stat. I can think of ... 2, 3 builds that use a naginata? The SS/Monk is the best one, of course.
Str monks are not a super threat to the meta with their lack of ac.
Quarterstaves lost their +2AB recently. It's a bad kama now.malcolm_mountainslayer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:36 am
I do hate that we have large sized finese ubab weapons though; looking at you qaurterstaff.
Strength spellmonk IS a concern. It is better than normal Str spellswords in every conceivable way, and the gear isn’t even an issue because I was able to write up a quad stat set with only greater/T2 runes. In my personal opinion, I’d say it’s probably the best all around spellsword currently.malcolm_mountainslayer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:36 amOur concern about spellmonks is in context of dex spellmonks not naginata spellmonks.
Its still large sized and is better at disarming and resisting disarm than a long sword. Who takes disarm? Well nobody but that might change if every monk dip was a kama.Good Character wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:07 amQuarterstaves lost their +2AB recently. It's a bad kama now.malcolm_mountainslayer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:36 am
I do hate that we have large sized finese ubab weapons though; looking at you qaurterstaff.
True, but at the expense of 3 feats. Could one truly fit in Disarm? Yes, but without gimping their self excessively. (i.e. likely losing immunity to IGMS and lower CL)malcolm_mountainslayer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:23 am
Its still large sized and is better at disarming and resisting disarm than a long sword. Who takes disarm? Well nobody but that might change if every monk dip was a kama.
Sorry Gaist - I'm going to clip your statement here but consider me addressing it as a whole - not just this quote.
If you want to cut out on Monk dips, make it so they only get 1 AC from Wis per every 2 Monk levels.Flower Power wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:21 amHonestly, I feel like 99.5% of monk-dip builds could be balanced simply by making monk WIS AC into a Dodge bonus (which would make it subject to Flatfootedness,) instead of by trying finagle and balance each and every individual class. That's how we've handled most imbalanced AC-related invulnerability in the past (Palemaster bonus AC being turned into Dodge, giving Rogues very attractive light armor while also allowing them to recoup most of their lost DEX bonus... as Dodge AC, Divine Shield being Dodge AC (but that's vanilla.))
Swap Monk AC to Dodge AC, and Monk dips can then retain their lethality while still having counterplay in the form of being made vulnerable to being Flatfooted. It shouldn't impact pure Monks that much because they're already purpose-built to avoid being Flatfooted if they're built well and played carefully.
You get 30 CL if you go pure and you have better DCs on your imbues. The CL part is a pretty big deal because most spellswords have 27 CL which is lower than your standard paladin and ranger and hexblade builds which get the +3 CL boost, in comparison. I'm not saying going pure is the right move objectively but buffing pure spellswords can be a little dangerous, especially if you touch their damage output.msheeler wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:15 amI'd just like to see 28+ SS get some real love. A third imbue? Maybe unlock imbue fires per round? Right now I think it's like +10 Discipline and that sucks because you can get way better by dipping into almost anything else.
That being said this is also a class that sorely needs to be made into a true class and changed all together into something else so it's likely we'll not see any updates to the class till we see it get it's own class.