Arelith

Description
Vampires are currently impossible to assassinate, they take bleed damage (Which they're immune to). This still happens even if you apply a bless weapon, they don't take positive damage at all.

Steps to reproduce
Assassinate a vampire, hit them

Expected result
They take positive damage

Actual result
They take bleeding damage (Which they're immune to)

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Misc Notes

Which Server(s)?
Tested on the PGCC

Gaming Platform(s)?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Undead are immune to Sneak attacks and Death Attacks, including Assassination.

Drogo Gyslain wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:15 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Undead are immune to Sneak attacks and Death Attacks, including Assassination.

You're wrong.

Arelith Wiki wrote:

The Assassinate ability represents studying a target's weaknesses and will therefore use different damage types based on the chosen target:

• If a target is not crit-immune or has the Deathless Mastery feat, Bleeding Damage will be applied. The damage then bypasses a Pale Master's immunity.
• If a target is undead, Positive Energy Damage will be applied. Weapons must be warded with Bless Weapon for this damage to trigger against PCs.
• In all other cases, magic damage will be applied.

Thats not how you kill a vampire I dont think.

Out of curiosity, did you test this against a PC vampire, an NPC, or both?

I've used it on two seperate vampire PC's, both with and without bless weapon activated before the assassinate was used.

As a note, it's works just fine on random NPC vampires because their base type is Undead wheras player vampires probably just have a template or something ontop of their usual race which is what I guess is breaking it

It works vs NPCs as any other target (damage changes). It only works vs PC vampires if you have Bless Weapon active because ?????????????????????? reasons????????????? it seems really in favour of the 10 or so characters that are vampires with very little reasoning in balance or lore.

It should probably just work vs whatever target and have the damage adjust as needed.

Dreams wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:43 am

It works vs NPCs as any other target (damage changes). It only works vs PC vampires if you have Bless Weapon active because ?????????????????????? reasons????????????? it seems really in favour of the 10 or so characters that are vampires with very little reasoning in balance or lore.

It should probably just work vs whatever target and have the damage adjust as needed.

If you gonna menation lore here, why can vampires be assassinated? Weaknessess is mentioned? But what? Do you coat your sword with garlic and crosses or what? What is the "reason" here?

Dreams wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:43 am

It should probably just work vs whatever target and have the damage adjust as needed.

The thought behind this was as follows: Rather than omnisciently recognising every vampire, assassins need to learn more about their target before they strike. If they default to the same tactics used when murdering a living target, they'd aim for "weak spots" that cause no additional damage against a vampire. The Bless Weapon scroll represents this research, and the resulting change in tactics then enables the expected bonus damage.

The positive damage against PvE undead is more of a QoL feature, the corresponding preparation is implied in this case.