Examine, attribute values
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Examine, attribute values
I've been noticing people with e.g. "very high" attributes again. Have we added them back to the palette? Is that a good idea? I was kind of on board with reducing OOC build-reading opportunities.
If the distinction is going to stay: What about -mimic? How to -mimic a "very high" score?
If the distinction is going to stay: What about -mimic? How to -mimic a "very high" score?
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Re: Examine, attribute values
Attribute scores now take into account buffs from items and such I believe.
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Thank you for the response, is that documented somewhere? What about my other questions, especially about -mimic?
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It was put in very recently. Sorry it hasn't made its way into an announcement, next time we do a big one I'll try and fit it in.
Mimic isn't in yet. But then there's an argument that it's difficult to mimic scores that high anyway.
Mimic isn't in yet. But then there's an argument that it's difficult to mimic scores that high anyway.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
Could perhaps it be a boon for ESF: Illusion, or Illusion Specialist wizards to mimic, then?The GrumpyCat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:32 pmIt was put in very recently. Sorry it hasn't made its way into an announcement, next time we do a big one I'll try and fit it in.
Mimic isn't in yet. But then there's an argument that it's difficult to mimic scores that high anyway.
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Mimic-ing a score from Low to High should be considered harder than High to Very High.The GrumpyCat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:32 pmIt was put in very recently. Sorry it hasn't made its way into an announcement, next time we do a big one I'll try and fit it in.
Mimic isn't in yet. But then there's an argument that it's difficult to mimic scores that high anyway.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
Was this ever implemented? Mimicking very high scores, that is. And if so, how is it done?
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It's active and can be done from the new character interface via rest menu.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:30 amWas this ever implemented? Mimicking very high scores, that is. And if so, how is it done?
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Sweet, thank you!Edens_Fall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:13 pmIt's active and can be done from the new character interface via rest menu.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:30 amWas this ever implemented? Mimicking very high scores, that is. And if so, how is it done?
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Are there any special requirements to be able to mimic Very High? It doesn't show up on my character with 14 Perform.Edens_Fall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:13 pmIt's active and can be done from the new character interface via rest menu.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:30 amWas this ever implemented? Mimicking very high scores, that is. And if so, how is it done?
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Through the -mimic command, characters may attempt to replace the stats that are usually shown when examined with a fake result. This is specially useful to lead people off from your real orientation and actual abilities - so for instance a rogue may appear as strong, hale and hearty as a barbarian, or a wizard as charming as a sorcerer.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:19 amAre there any special requirements to be able to mimic Very High? It doesn't show up on my character with 14 Perform.Edens_Fall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:13 pmIt's active and can be done from the new character interface via rest menu.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:30 amWas this ever implemented? Mimicking very high scores, that is. And if so, how is it done?
A character can disguise one of their four exposed attributes (Strength, dexterity, constitution, charisma) for every hard 7 ranks in either Perform or Bluff, using whichever is higher as the strength of their mimicry. The two can be combined to get access to the 4 mimicries as soon as level 11 in a bard.
When other character examines, they will roll the stronger of their Search or Spot against the mimicry to get through it. These rolls are completely silent and not reported. If the roll is failed, The perception rolls last for as long as an hour, before they can be rolled again examining.
Do you have enough hard ranks and if so try the old method via -mimic command to see if that gives the opinion.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
Yes, enough hard ranks to change 2 stats, and it works just fine except that it doesn't give me the option of mimicking the newly added "Very High" stat, on any of them.Edens_Fall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:50 pmThrough the -mimic command, characters may attempt to replace the stats that are usually shown when examined with a fake result. This is specially useful to lead people off from your real orientation and actual abilities - so for instance a rogue may appear as strong, hale and hearty as a barbarian, or a wizard as charming as a sorcerer.MissEvelyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:19 amAre there any special requirements to be able to mimic Very High? It doesn't show up on my character with 14 Perform.Edens_Fall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:13 pm
It's active and can be done from the new character interface via rest menu.
A character can disguise one of their four exposed attributes (Strength, dexterity, constitution, charisma) for every hard 7 ranks in either Perform or Bluff, using whichever is higher as the strength of their mimicry. The two can be combined to get access to the 4 mimicries as soon as level 11 in a bard.
When other character examines, they will roll the stronger of their Search or Spot against the mimicry to get through it. These rolls are completely silent and not reported. If the roll is failed, The perception rolls last for as long as an hour, before they can be rolled again examining.
Do you have enough hard ranks and if so try the old method via -mimic command to see if that gives the opinion.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
Hmmm I'm not really sure. I'll have to test.my own bluff PC today to see what is does.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
One of my characters has full-investment Bluff, 84 effective Bluff, and still can't mimic 'very high'.
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Re: Examine, attribute values
I tested it last night and can concur. Very High is still not mimic-able