It doesn't solve my unquenchable thirst of a greatsword for Torm, but it does remove any amount of weight from arguments!
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It both now has UMD bypass (30) (actually, always had iirc, just was obscure knowledge), and is opened to all orcish races[SMITHING, OROG]
Orog Bastard Sword
Additional Property: Use Magic Device - +30
Damage Bonus: Bludgeoning 2 Damage
Enhancement Bonus +4
Extra Melee Damage Type: Bludgeoning
Keen
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Half-Orc
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Orc
Weight Increase 30 lbs.
ILR 21
Base Strength Requirement: 22
[SMITHING, OROG]
Orog Slayer-sword (renamed from Orog Greatsword)
Additional Property: Use Magic Device - +30
Damage Bonus: Bludgeoning 3 Damage
Enhancement Bonus +4
Extra Melee Damage Type: Bludgeoning
Keen
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Half-Orc
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Orc
Weight Increase 50 lbs.
ILR 21
Base Strength Requirement: 24
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In light of, unmentioned genre, pikes.. i understand; I was blinded sided because we gave dwarves Lawful greataxes and then we made Chaotic greataxes. Like if I make a dwarven rager, I want to use a greataxe, not a greatsword (even though greatsword is great for Guts themed characters).Security_Blanket wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:47 pmYea, so you're options are A, be either half-orc or more, or B, have a class that gives you UMD then make a big investment (I don't care what you say, 30 points is a big investment). Or of course option C, pick a different weapon. If you want to be a Paladin with a great sword, well then you also need to be a Rogue, Specialist, or Bard, pure Paladins with great swords are a thing of fiction ya know. Pure Fighter human with a great sword? Now that's crazy talk, everyone knows only rogues and half-orcs use great swords.
I basined 40 Masterly Damask Falchions in a month and a half, and then bought a 2.5 million gold Masterwork Rune. If you want to take your character as far as it can go? You need to use a Falchion. This is just what you do.Ork wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:03 amIf you want to use a greatsword, you accept the less-than-optimal choice to use it. Very similar to using a halbard or greataxe. It just isn't a falchion - and that's fine.
That is of course if we exclude the orog greatsword which is most likely one of the best weapons in the game.
Ew, those crit ranges are disgusting. Gross. Lock this thread.Kenji wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:01 amIt's time to streamline the weapons:
Tiny Weapons
Simple: 1d3, 18-20 x2, few 20 x2, finesse
Martial: 1d4, 18-20 x2, finesse
Exotic: 2d2, 18-20 x2, finesse
Small Weapons
Simple: 1d4, 19-20 x2, few 20 x2, finesse
Martial: 1d6, 19-20 x2, finesse
Exotic: 2d3, 19-20 x2, finesse, can be two-handed by small creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H and/or finesse
Medium Weapons
Simple: 1d6, some 19-20 x2, some 20 x3, few 20 x2
Martial: 1d8, some 19-20 x2, some 20 x3
Exotic: 2d4, 19-20 x2, some can be finessed, can be two-handed by medium creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H and/or finesse
Large Weapons
Simple: 1d10, 20 x3, few 20 x2
Martial: 1d12, 20 x3
Exotic: 3d4, 20 x3, can be two-handed by large creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H
Begone with the scimitar/rapier meta and let the disarm meta begin!
I'll bet $10 bucks (which will go to patreon donations for Arelith) that this thread gets locked in 3 days time.
Honestly, as an elf main, I'd love Moonblades disappearing, and getting re-fluffed as a non-elf specific weapon.ltlukoziuz wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:52 pmEhrmmmm, at that point, you should make an argument against ALL racial/class weapons. Dead Man's Cross, Dale Swod, Moonblade, etc. - there's a lot of weapons which have better alternatives if you're X race/class. What's wrong with that? If you're a paladin, you're supposed to grab a dinky bronze greatsword and dweomer it because of Bless Weapon anyway, as that will be miles better than anything else, and even if you weren't paladin, masterly damask is absolutely serviceable and the difference is miniscule (there's very little DR effects (any?) where +3 vs +4 will matter)
@KenjiKenji wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:01 amIt's time to streamline the weapons:
Tiny Weapons
Simple: 1d3, 18-20 x2, few 20 x2, finesse
Martial: 1d4, 18-20 x2, finesse
Exotic: 2d2, 18-20 x2, finesse
Small Weapons
Simple: 1d4, 19-20 x2, few 20 x2, finesse
Martial: 1d6, 19-20 x2, finesse
Exotic: 2d3, 19-20 x2, finesse, can be two-handed by small creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H and/or finesse
Medium Weapons
Simple: 1d6, some 19-20 x2, some 20 x3, few 20 x2
Martial: 1d8, some 19-20 x2, some 20 x3
Exotic: 2d4, 19-20 x2, some can be finessed, can be two-handed by medium creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H and/or finesse
Large Weapons
Simple: 1d10, 20 x3, few 20 x2
Martial: 1d12, 20 x3
Exotic: 3d4, 20 x3, can be two-handed by large creatures, +1 AB and 1.5x str mod applies while 2H
Begone with the scimitar/rapier meta and let the disarm meta begin!
I'll bet $10 bucks (which will go to patreon donations for Arelith) that this thread gets locked in 3 days time.
The problem with it being its own issue is: These issues are inherently linked because many of the enchanted crafting weapons exist because of these stat differences. That is why the discussion needs to be in the same thread. Balance topics are each, by their very nature, connected.
I've always wondered why too.dominantdrowess wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:23 pmIt's the exact same problem though. Racial Weapons then dumpstering the runes and m.damask~ Frankly, I am considering creating a side-arm for myself, but.. I'm going to make a rapier, so that if I ever sell it, or roll I can give somebody a big weapon. lol. And it's compatible with more classes, and finessable. I don't understand why people make Scimitars over Rapiers. Isn't piercing damage superior too, against some classes due to tower-shield stats not being on all classes?