It’s mainly because people are often jackasses about finding secrets. If random scry dude could be trusted to make a fun experience with then that knowledge, I think it wouldn’t be so hated (I cannot think of many reason why you do a “gank squad” as something fun).
I really can’t change other people behaviour but that’s how I operate when I do scrying
Epic Divination Scrying
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Re: Epic Divination Scrying
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Re: Epic Divination Scrying
Agree that removing scrying from loremaster would help, maybe letting it read auras/the deck instead. Auras and the deck of stars are cool enough to make the secret worth it; and it would significantly reduce the number of scriers.Party in the forest at midnight wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:15 pmThis is the best post in the thread. It got me thinking, prior to loremaster there were casters with divination focus who said it was unoptimal, underpowered, they wanted it to do more. It's a 3 feat investment after all. In contrast, loremaster is much more optimal to take for a number of mundane classes, so they can access scrolls and other things that it enables. So scrying has become way, way more common, which has made it much more of an issue.
Maybe just remove scrying from loremaster.
I think the other secrets are fine though, if a little weak. -yoink is probably the best one, but GSF conjuration and the summon buffs are generally too good to pass up.
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Re: Epic Divination Scrying
I could see Loremasters keeping the scry ability but it's more conditional and a pain for them, like they need to craft a crystal ball or mirror fixture that's heavy, expensive and has a chance of breaking .
Re: Epic Divination Scrying
Taking scry off of loremaster doesn't really fix the problems inherent in scrying -- it just makes loremaster a less attractive option for the kind of people who like to scry.
I still really like the idea of limiting scrying to certain areas rather than being able to scry people, like cordor's scrying network works, but I imagine that's been brought up a lot already.
I still really like the idea of limiting scrying to certain areas rather than being able to scry people, like cordor's scrying network works, but I imagine that's been brought up a lot already.
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Re: Epic Divination Scrying
I like scry.
I have an epic wizard with it and I've never randomly spied on people I don't know or haven't been asked to scry on.
I understand the complaints against it but really it's all about making the knowledge you get fun for the target, a little blackmail or a few veiled threats about what you know.
I do agree that loremaster should have it removed for the reasons already stated in the other posts.
I have an epic wizard with it and I've never randomly spied on people I don't know or haven't been asked to scry on.
I understand the complaints against it but really it's all about making the knowledge you get fun for the target, a little blackmail or a few veiled threats about what you know.
I do agree that loremaster should have it removed for the reasons already stated in the other posts.