OOC Discords And The Influence They Hold

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To be fair, that's the other side of the argument - I cannot keep away from Discord & then fault the rest of the player base when I miss some piece of publically available information. Simply because then there's a good chance I might not even know what/when/where to look for IG - that's hardly the same as being deliberately kept in the dark or excluded.

Because compiling all open information (be it public events & happenings or build guides & mechanical info) in one place for everybody's convenience is how Arelith players are overwhelmingly using Discord

[Ouranochoros]

I'm not sure which post you're referring to that said that they only have things posted in discord for sailing times. Maybe I missed it.

If you mean Gwen's player's post, that was talking about finding a time with members of the navy that could best get together for an RL time to do sailing. That has nothing hiding things away in discord. Trying to do that ICly with a large group is ridiculous.

Hello, I am Gwen's player (Cordor's previous captain). I have not posted in this thread if indeed you are referring to me (I don't really use the forums). Thankies.

That being said, having run the navy for 6 IRL months, without discord it would have been near impossible. I had people in US Pacific time (including myself), people in the EU, and people in the South Pacific. It's just not feasible to organize sail times around that without discord.

[AddledPunster]

Could be referring to me, as my Gwen was very boat happy, and while she was never in charge of a settlement navy, she was very involved with Guldorand and Guldorand’s navy while captaining the Timberfleet.

Even if she wasn’t immediately involved with the navy, she was very much butting in due to being a boat crazy busybody.

[Peacewhisper]

Sencliff: Anyone can sail
Cordor: Must use discord

Any other ship captains want to weigh in? I'd like to get a general consensus on whether discord is needed or not and also know where to go and where to avoid for my future sailmaxxed characters.

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Sencliff: Anyone can sail
Cordor: Must use discord

Any other ship captains want to weigh in? I'd like to get a general consensus on whether discord is needed or not and also know where to go and where to avoid for my future sailmaxxed characters.

I think you might be misinterpreting what's being said here.

Firstly I did say that I also used Discord to help me organize sails but that being on Discord wasn't a requirement for people to participate.
Secondly, I'm not reading anything that Babylon or Ouranochoros wrote here as any indication that joining Discord was a requirement for attending navy sails.

What I see them saying is that organizing flagship sails without the help of Discord would have been very difficult, which is a statement I very much agree with.

[Peacewhisper]

I think you might be misinterpreting what's being said here.

Firstly I did say that I also used Discord to help me organize sails but that being on Discord wasn't a requirement for people to participate.
Secondly, I'm not reading anything that Babylon or Ouranochoros wrote here as any indication that joining Discord was a requirement for attending navy sails.

What I see them saying is that organizing flagship sails without the help of Discord would have been very difficult, which is a statement I very much agree with.

Difficult is one thing, nearly impossible is another. I do not want to put any kind of burden on any other player just to make me feel included, if its nearly impossible for them to do it without discord I'm just going to let them find other like-minded discord users to sail with and look elsewhere.

Edit: Here is an even better question that will cut through all the flowery bs and feigned niceties: How many settlements could I become a ship captain in without ever using discord? And are there any current or former ship captains who even accomplished this? (Sencliff doesn't count since anyone can just buy those ships and can't be evicted)

[Kushion]

This is so strange. I imagine this reply will also be taken as some sort of personal attack, but having recently played with a settlement leader and extremely social/popular character whose player did not join any of the supposedly 'Misused Official Discords', it's difficult to believe that all these scenarios of exclusion are the fault of any OOC Communication medium.

It could (shockingly) just be the result of in-character handling.

I'm not really sure where all this fear of colours and tags in the official discords is coming from, but if you feel like that's somehow actually inhibiting your ability to make change ICly then sure, remove them. Maybe I just haven't played in the correct settlements, but it's difficult to really believe, having seen quite the number of non-discord players finding prominent positions and big social circles.

Most of the issues posted in this thread are attributed to private-discords, not the public-ones, and toxicity and exclusionary gameplay in private discords/social mediums isn't exactly breaking news.

[Kushion]

I think you might be misinterpreting what's being said here.

Firstly I did say that I also used Discord to help me organize sails but that being on Discord wasn't a requirement for people to participate.
Secondly, I'm not reading anything that Babylon or Ouranochoros wrote here as any indication that joining Discord was a requirement for attending navy sails.

What I see them saying is that organizing flagship sails without the help of Discord would have been very difficult, which is a statement I very much agree with.

Difficult is one thing, nearly impossible is another. I do not want to put any kind of burden on any other player just to make me feel included, if its nearly impossible for them to do it without discord I'm just going to let them find other like-minded discord users to sail with and look elsewhere.

Edit: Here is an even better question that will cut through all the flowery bs and feigned niceties: How many settlements could I become a ship captain in without ever using discord? And are there any current or former ship captains who even accomplished this? (Sencliff doesn't count since anyone can just buy those ships and can't be evicted)

Myons current Ship-Captain didn't join the official discord until a time after they got the role, so it wasn't something they needed to achieve that position. The sail channel is public in that discord, so it's not really possible to do any evil ooc plotting in there.

[Peacewhisper]

This is so strange. I imagine this reply will also be taken as some sort of personal attack, but having recently played with a settlement leader and extremely social/popular character whose player did not join any of the supposedly 'Misused Official Discords', it's difficult to believe that all these scenarios of exclusion are the fault of any OOC Communication medium.

It could (shockingly) just be the result of in-character handling.

I'm not really sure where all this fear of colours and tags in the official discords is coming from, but if you feel like that's somehow actually inhibiting your ability to make change ICly then sure, remove them. Maybe I just haven't played in the correct settlements, but it's difficult to really believe, having seen quite the number of non-discord players finding prominent positions and big social circles.

Most of the issues posted in this thread are attributed to private-discords, not the public-ones, and toxicity and exclusionary gameplay in private discords/social mediums isn't exactly breaking news.

Your post is reasonable and polite, not sure why it would be taken as a personal attack.

The roles/colors are not the meat of the issue but still something worth noting. And it certainly does vary from one settlement to the next, that's part of what I am trying to gauge here with my questions.

I have managed to work some of my characters into some higher roles IC in the past. But it always felt like my greatest efforts were worth less than the bare minimum of someone else who was good friends with the leader OOC or insanely popular in discord. I think a lot of players can probably relate to that feeling.

The problem with the official discord that I keep trying to point out but failing at, is that it serves as a gateway to the private ones and empowers the people who run them. Maybe someone else can think of a more eloquent way to put it, but its like the mafia or the cartels using legitimate businesses as a cover for their other activities. The "Official" discords are the legit businesses with cops watching them saying "Looks legit to me!" meanwhile all the shady stuff is happening in the back (private discords) where the cops/DM's can't see. Yeah sure, to the rest of us it just looks like an ordinary pizza place, but that's not how Giovanni was able to afford his third mansion.

Myons current Ship-Captain didn't join the official discord until a time after they got the role, so it wasn't something they needed to achieve that position. The sail channel is public in that discord, so it's not really possible to do any evil ooc plotting in there.

That is surprising to me, as all my attempts to go sailing in Myon over multiple years and characters felt like beating my head against a wall, but I will take your word for it. I can count on one finger the amount of times I've been on their vessel despite holding prominent positions in that settlement for literally years.

[AddledPunster]

Sometimes it can just be hard to get enough people together to get the boat going. I had it really lucky with the Timberfleet because it has a crew requirement of 2 so my dedicated sailing wizard could limp along with less skilled crews. I also remember wanting to get on the Myon ship and rarely doing so, mainly because we couldn’t get enough crew to raise the skill average to something worthwhile. If anything, the big barrier seemed to be conflicting schedules; not a lot of sailing to be done if the key holders or half the skilled crew is asleep because they live on the other side of the world.

[Xerah]

Hello, I am Gwen's player (Cordor's previous captain). I have not posted in this thread if indeed you are referring to me (I don't really use the forums). Thankies.

That being said, having run the navy for 6 IRL months, without discord it would have been near impossible. I had people in US Pacific time (including myself), people in the EU, and people in the South Pacific. It's just not feasible to organize sail times around that without discord.

I was not referring to you. The one I was talking about was an event in Ice Citadel that I saw postings for in game (it was just not copy+pasted from in game into discord). I did mix up the two Gwens though.

At any rate, Peacewhisper seems intent on misrepresenting you and your time as Captain by claiming that you have to be on Discord to sail. Even as someone who was not involved in the Cordor Navy, I know this is complete BS. I'm not sure if they have a bone to pick with you personally or what's going on. I have no idea why they are continuing this narrative while thinking they are taking the "moral high ground" by not being in Discord.

That kind of misrepresentation of players is completely unwelcome here so I'm locking this thread as I don't see anything good to come out of them continuing to do this over and over after every person makes a post or two.