Monk Blinding Speed at level 25

[Orian_666]

Also that monk is never going to land a hit on the paladin either because he's clearly using IE to hit that number.
Like i've said multiple times, the only way to confirm all this for real in a practical sense is to pitch all the best classes/builds against each other in a tournament style test. Get some good PvPers together, hop onto the PGCC server and have at it. Max everything out on every build, absolutely best possible outcome, and hold some fights to determine if the numbers run stand up IG... personally i'm confident the pure monk won't win 100% of the time like everyone else seems to think, but will in fact be par for the course.

[Hunter548]

One final time, I quite literally said "NEARLY", so yes Hunter I was rounding, and I did tell you all, twice in fact.

"Rounding" is one word for it. "Deceptive" and "Misleading" are too.

[Orian_666]

Oh come on dude, nearly 60 and exactly 60 are absolutely not the same thing. Don't be so disingenuous, like three of you hopped on the "Lul, I never heard of a build that can hit 60 AB" wagon immediately, completely ignoring I clearly stated nearly.
If we're gonna talk deceptive and misleading then you're all guilty of it for claiming "Nearly 60" = "Exactly 60".
I don't believe for one second you're dumb enough to think I meant exactly 60 when I said nearly, or was trying to be misleading for that matter....

[Orian_666]

Anywho, i've said my part on the matter multiple times in both threads, i'm dipping out.
Whatever happens is in the hands of the devs.
I genuinely would like to see the results of properly testing it out on the PGCC though, it'd be a great use of it

[Sockss]

Like i've said multiple times, the only way to confirm all this for real in a practical sense is to pitch all the best classes/builds against each other in a tournament style test.

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personally i'm confident the pure monk won't win 100% of the time like everyone else seems to think, but will in fact be par for the course.

Nothing wins 100% of the time, you can be very confident of that. That's not the issue. The issue is that the monk will win the majority of time against everything.

An isolated actual IG fight is absolutely meaningless.

You'd have to do infinite IG fights to get a readout as accurate as statistically examining it.

Lets look at a simple example.

If everyone in the world were to flip two coins, then take that outcome as an expected result for all future 2-coin flips.

25%(~) of people would believe flipping 2 coins would always come out on heads.
25%(~) would believe it was always tails.
50%(~) would believe it was always T/H.

100% of these people would be wrong.

It's, really basic stuff. (It's not rocket surgery)

[the grim yeeter]

One final time, I quite literally said "NEARLY", so yes Hunter I was rounding, and I did tell you all, twice in fact.

Alright. Well. I'll be the one telling you that neither 53 nor 57 are "nearly" 60 AB, then. Next time, provide actual numbers to prevent misleading other people who might not bother to do these calculations for you.

[Orian_666]

And you're the be all and end all is it? You say 57 isn't nearly 60 so that makes it true?
First of all get over yourself, secondly it absolutely is nearly 60.
But how or never I won't be bothering to engage in these discussions in the future anyway so don't worry yourself too much about it, if you all get so hung up on such a silly thing as me saying "Nearly 60" instead of bloody "57" then i'm just wasting my own time with such nonsense.
Please don't quote me again, I'm done with this conversation and unfortunately even though i'm unsubbed from the thread when someone quotes me I still get the notification and I really don't want to block people over something so stupid (Is if even possible to block people on this website, i've never tried?)

[Nitro]

(Is if even possible to block people on this website, i've never tried?)

Well since you asked a direct question I'll ping you to answer it. Go into your control panel and then to the "friends and foes" tab, anyone you add in the foes tab will have all of their posts/messages invisible to you by default.

[Orian_666]

Much appreciated, with any luck it won't be necessary though.

[Peppermint]

Orian_666, the reason you're getting so much flak is that three points is kind of a big deal. That's literally the equivalent of three epic feats (epic weapon focus, epic prowess) or six attribute points. That's almost the difference between a multiclassed rogue and a pure fighter. That's a whopping 15% swing in your to hit chance, which is absolutely astronomical, and doubly so when your ballpark figure is "hits 50% of the time".

It's the kind of thing that might seem "small" to an inexperienced player, but when optimization is often about eking out 1 more AB, it should be pretty obvious to any experienced player that three points is absolutely huge.

I don't think you were intending to be deceptive, but on the other hand, it's certainly difficult to blame the more mechanically-inclined players for having that impression. Indeed, no need to harp on it though. Nothing productive will come of that.