Arelith

I imagine people play this game/server to have fun. This suggestion is not fun.

Also, people, never stop running in Brogendenstein, please. Always run in Brogendenstein.

Orian_666 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:55 pm Pretty sure if someone runs by you in a dungeon, completely ignores your presence and any effort you make to RP with them (hostile or not) then it's a rule break.
Both the Be Nice rule and the rule about properly RPing.

Actual server rules do not specify that the other party has obligation to pay attention to your character or interact with your character in any specific way. Accidents happen too, and on occasion it is possible for someone to simply miss your message.

Talking about "properly RPing", however, can lead to hostility and kill the fun to people involved.

Talking about "properly RPing", however, can lead to hostility and kill the fun to people involved.

I really don't think a trend towards 'let's control how others RP via complaint mechanics' is a good idea, myself. The alternative, which is minding your own business, works pretty well.

Void wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:21 pm

Orian_666 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:55 pm Pretty sure if someone runs by you in a dungeon, completely ignores your presence and any effort you make to RP with them (hostile or not) then it's a rule break.
Both the Be Nice rule and the rule about properly RPing.

Actual server rules do not specify that the other party has obligation to pay attention to your character or interact with your character in any specific way. Accidents happen too, and on occasion it is possible for someone to simply miss your message.

Talking about "properly RPing", however, can lead to hostility and kill the fun to people involved.

The Rules don't specify a lot of stuff, if you look at the main rules themselves, but just silently running past people in a place like a dungeon imo is extremely poor RP and something i'd personally report.
Rule 1 though does specify "Stay in character.", if it's in character to ignore people in a monster infested dungeon and just run past them silently and you can argue that your character would absolutely do that then have at it, but I find it hard to think of any reason why that would be considered staying in character and not an OOC motivated action (Gimme all the XP's!!). When I mentioned properly RPing this is what I meant.

Orian_666 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:31 pm The Rules don't specify a lot of stuff, if you look at the main rules themselves, but just silently running past people in a place like a dungeon imo is extremely poor RP and something i'd personally report.
Rule 1 though does specify "Stay in character.", if it's in character to ignore people in a monster infested dungeon and just run past them silently and you can argue that your character would absolutely do that then have at it, but I find it hard to think of any reason why that would be considered staying in character. When I mentioned properly RPing this is what I meant.

Policing somebody else's character is a good way to brew hostility and dislike, and judging somebody else's performance is a great way to stop having fun. That's because the moment you start projecting your expectations onto someone you're no longer cooperating with them for storywriting purposes.

As for avoiding in a dungeon, possible reasons include that character being a loner, hating people in general, hating your character specifically or doing something where they don't want to be caught.

Greeting people in a dungeon is not a normal behavior for everybody. It is normal behavior for friendly, social, or good aligned individual only.

If you feel that this is worth reporting, sure, go ahead. I prefer to use reports for OOC chatter, godmoding, pvp rule breaches, attacking out of the blue with no warning and other things like that. If thye ignore you, you could just move on to find another person to interact with.

Yet another thread about punishing people who don't conform to certain people's rp standards... more and more of these keep popping up and over the stupidest things like running. What will be next... no talking in public unless its whispering because it annoys people lol?

Exordius wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:27 pm Yet another thread about punishing people who don't conform to certain people's rp standards... more and more of these keep popping up and over the stupidest things like running. What will be next... no talking in public unless its whispering because it annoys people lol?

Now that you mention it.....



Personally I run everywhere untill I physically see sombody. I think a lot of people do the same. I have places to be, I have a pregnant wife and a 1 year old. If it takes me 20 minutes to travel I'm not getting there because some body wants something from me IRL

9 times out of 10 if someone runs by me in a dungeon it's because they're trying to steal xp, writ progress, and/or loot. It's not because they're staying true to the nuances of their character (which is, itself, a contrived excuse).

i'll respond accordingly, but I think it's pretty hard to justify the behavior

I shamelessly run all the time when I am by myself out in the wilds, or going through a dungeon solo. My real life time is way more valuable to me then worrying about if anyone thinks less of me for it if they happen to catch me doing it. I think we can all agree that anyone who runs past you to kill the boss before you do or whatever sucks though.

Babylon System is the Vampire wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:54 pm I shamelessly run all the time when I am by myself out in the wilds, or going through a dungeon solo. My real life time is way more valuable to me then worrying about if anyone thinks less of me for it if they happen to catch me doing it. I think we can all agree that anyone who runs past you to kill the boss before you do or whatever sucks though.

Same, and I absolutely agree!

Just one thing....

"Running ahead in dungeon's is just a Pufferfish move, clearly violates be nice if not other rules and should be reported to DM's."

What? So if my Neutral evil gobo sees some drows or even worse hummies in dungeon he is not allowed to just sneak past them and steal every loot ahead?

Like one thing is be nice in RL....other thing is....We are not all good characters out there....and we shouldnt RP them as such.....

Ork wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:40 pm This is a no for me, dawg.

+1

CptJonas wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:03 pm Just one thing....

"Running ahead in dungeon's is just a Pufferfish move, clearly violates be nice if not other rules and should be reported to DM's."

What? So if my Neutral evil gobo sees some drows or even worse hummies in dungeon he is not allowed to just sneak past them and steal every loot ahead?

Like one thing is be nice in RL....other thing is....We are not all good characters out there....and we shouldnt RP them as such.....

Sneaking past with the intent to mess with them by stealing the treasures in the dungeon (certain parties could even gain RP out of that if they see tracks, notice something is up and start searching for the stealther, etc etc) isn't the same thing as silently sprinting past a group of players clearly and visibly just mindlessly circle grinding, especially if the party tries to interact with the silent runner.
As Zavandar said, and 9 out of 10 is being generous, those peoples only goal is to farm up the XP, loot, and writ progression and that behavior is hard to justify and sucks.

Orian_666 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:11 pm

CptJonas wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:03 pm Just one thing....

"Running ahead in dungeon's is just a Pufferfish move, clearly violates be nice if not other rules and should be reported to DM's."

What? So if my Neutral evil gobo sees some drows or even worse hummies in dungeon he is not allowed to just sneak past them and steal every loot ahead?

Like one thing is be nice in RL....other thing is....We are not all good characters out there....and we shouldnt RP them as such.....

Sneaking past with the intent to mess with them by stealing the treasures in the dungeon (certain parties could even gain RP out of that if they see tracks, notice something is up and start searching for the stealther, etc etc) isn't the same thing as silently sprinting past a group of players clearly and visibly just mindlessly circle grinding, especially if the party tries to interact with the silent runner.
As Zavandar said, and 9 out of 10 is being generous, those peoples only goal is to farm up the XP, loot, and writ progression and that behavior is hard to justify and sucks.

Well...yeah....thats good point and true...everyone hate those guys...But I think its totaly fine if you in game manage to go past them without them noticing you... (sneak, invis, something)....and its in your character...

But its true that people should stop if someone talks to them or even sees them....

So you can RP like "I was here first, go back to ya mama, or I kill ya" or "I dont care....I am going forward..If you want tag along....do it....if you have problem with it...try to catch me hummiez"

People should be able to play Pufferfishes if they RP it

Arelith forum have censure...neat Love it (I can finaly stop thinking about "is this word ok?" )

There are many things I would do a neutral evil, an alignment I very commonly play.

Running or sneaking past anyone, without any RP to steal treasure is a a**hole move and purely OOC.

If I was to sneak past anyone in a dungeon as an Evil id sit in the traeasure room to assault my quarry after theyve burned all their spell slots dungeoneering, maybe. That could be more fun for everyone... Well mostly me. Its still a Pufferfish move... But dont steal treasure.

Shrouded Wanderer wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:22 pm If I was to sneak past anyone in a dungeon as an Evil id sit in the traeasure room to assault my quarry after theyve burned all their spell slots dungeoneering, maybe. That could be more fun for everyone... Well mostly me. Its still a Pufferfish move... But dont steal treasure.

It's an RP move and a damn awesome one!!

Shrouded Wanderer wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:22 pm There are many things I would do a neutral evil, an alignment I very commonly play.

Running or sneaking past anyone, without any RP to steal treasure is a a**hole move and purely OOC.

If I was to sneak past anyone in a dungeon as an Evil id sit in the traeasure room to assault my quarry after theyve burned all their spell slots dungeoneering, maybe. That could be more fun for everyone... Well mostly me. Its still a Pufferfish move... But dont steal treasure.

In my own opinion...moust people pick evil alingment only to play in UD....and they dont play it well...In my opinion...
Like situacions where I am low on HP when I go around Hub with my human outcast and sudenly drow priestes heals me with word "Here you go" I fell like "what?" But thats totaly different can of worms....I dont want to derail this....Just saying people with evil alingment should be selfcentered Pufferfishes....especialy on neutral one....Lawfull should be same..but just ocasionaly make it look like they are good just to blackmail you or use you...

Zavandar wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:47 pm 9 times out of 10 if someone runs by me in a dungeon it's because they're trying to steal xp, writ progress, and/or loot. It's not because they're staying true to the nuances of their character (which is, itself, a contrived excuse).

i'll respond accordingly, but I think it's pretty hard to justify the behavior

This, coupled with a lack of any emote or response from the character tends to ware my patience thin very quickly. However it's also the only time I'd ever really care about seeing someone zip by me.

Unless my character is walking through a settlement of some kind or travelling with someone then I'll probably run. Otherwise, I'm simply inconveniencing myself and burning through my free time so I can tell myself I put on a good show for the many NPCs out in the world already hostile and set to kill me. I guess.

Aesthetically walking is better than running but the walking speed in this game is *really* slow and most walking is done against rather boring backdrops you’ve seen a thousand times already. So if I am alone I am probably going to run until server rules say don’t. I always stop running and walk if I see someone else, maybe that’s irritating to some people too but you can’t please everyone.

Obviously ninja looting is bad including sneaking past to kill the boss for writs but I think the expectation that you have to stop and chat with other parties is silly. Lots of people treat dungeons like miniature golf courses especially when writs are involved but I think encounters with other adventurers should be really tense and possibly avoided if you don’t know them— they could potentially be more dangerous than any monster.

Arelith is an all ages game. I've always just assumed characters that run around and don't RP, wearing vanilla uncustomized outfits, are probably just very young kids trying out a new game - maybe not even aware of the rules and RP context of the server. I just ignore them for the most part and let them do their thing. I don't think everyone needs to suffer for it with a new mechanic.

What I disagree with here fundamentally is that it's always out of character to run in dungeons, that it can't be in character to run in dungeons, and that it can't be even more in character to run in a dungeon than to walk in a dungeon. The idea of storming or raiding a hideout of hostile creatures and eradicating them (whether as a crusader or a pillager) doesn't evoke slow paced walking, especially if you want to take them by surprise before they mobilize.

Scene 1: "The orcs of Bendir are attacking the roads again! We must exterminate them, quickly!"

Scene 2: *A bunch of guys walking at a snail's pace through a cave to the occasional sound of water dripping*

Does something seem off about this?

Is the idea that running is OOC because it's supposed to be tiring? I ask you, what are the characters in this scene doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfZBayQxkx8

I guess someone should give Aragorn, Leglos, Gimli, and the Uruk Hai a 10 RPR.

Dr. B wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:00 pm What I disagree with here fundamentally is that it's always out of character to run in dungeons, that it can't be in character to run in dungeons, and that it can't be even more in character to run in a dungeon than to walk in a dungeon. The idea of storming or raiding a hideout of hostile creatures and eradicating them (whether as a crusader or a pillager) doesn't evoke slow paced walking, especially if you want to take them by surprise before they mobilize.

"The orcs are preparing to attack the roads again! We must exterminate them, quickly!"

*Slow walking through a cave*

Does something seem off about this?

I usually shout "Lets do this double-time" and start running. Its just hard to RP and run at the same time.

If I remember correctly - Gimli, legolas and Aragorn ran for most of their time as a three-man party.

Shrouded Wanderer wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:02 pm

Dr. B wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:00 pm What I disagree with here fundamentally is that it's always out of character to run in dungeons, that it can't be in character to run in dungeons, and that it can't be even more in character to run in a dungeon than to walk in a dungeon. The idea of storming or raiding a hideout of hostile creatures and eradicating them (whether as a crusader or a pillager) doesn't evoke slow paced walking, especially if you want to take them by surprise before they mobilize.

"The orcs are preparing to attack the roads again! We must exterminate them, quickly!"

*Slow walking through a cave*

Does something seem off about this?

I usually shout "Lets do this double-time" and start running. Its just hard to RP and run at the same time.

I guess it has never been a problem for me. I just type while running or fighting while I'm not clicking things, and I keep the dialogue and emotes suitably brief.