Arelith

Kenji wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:08 am Warpriest isn't in a struggle, it's in a good spot and will only get better when Planar Conduit gets nerfed. The latest change is mainly for QoL and thematic purposes and is not indicative of the path's mechanical relevance to the current meta.

MissEvelyn wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:03 pm In regards to action economy and the sharing of spell slots, Divine Power and Divine Favor are in a strange place. They're kind of needed on certain clerics, but they're also inconvenient in that they take up spell slots and require to be repeatedly casted throughout a dungeon.

I'm just brainstorming, so take this with a grain of salt: What if we combined both into a spell-like ability?

Divine Presence - Applies both the effects of Divine Favor and Divine Power. The duration can be the same as Divine Power, or less, if the team deems it.

It could even cost a use of Turn Undead, similar to Divine Might/Shield. Though it should definitely last longer and not be tied to Charisma for duration. For potency though? Maybe!

Anyway, I would just love for it to be easily something you activate and not worry about until it runs out, instead of having to balance it with spell slots that already compete a lot with each other.

If balance is a concern, limit Divine Presence to majority Cleric or something similar. And definitely don't let it refresh other spellbooks if that's too much.

Xerah wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:10 pm Magic domain change was A+

War priest, magic/war

One thing that would be a nice OoL is to increase the duration of Deafening clang to Turn/Level (as a paladin) if you have a domain that adds that as a bonus (Even if just self cast). Since you're almost always casting this while in Divine power (and it replaces temp essences) it will come back 80% of the time, which means you're only really using 2 slots for this.

Would be nice to not have to keep juggling durations on this.

Edens_Fall wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:20 pm Warpriest gives up all summons in exchange for melee perks. Likely a bug that was fixed.

Xerah wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:58 pm Cannot summon should mean no summons allowed. There may eventually be some edge cases where it's permitted, but things like BBoD are not one of those.


My warpriest is lvl 15 and it's been an absolute breeze.

Smite evil is never useless since it's a free action attack.

Turns per level, when extended, is a significant amount of time at that level. You'll want to be using extended divine power as often as possible (I have it slotted 8x) and use divine favour when things might get tricky (I've got that slotted 7x). If you didn't take the divine feats, then you have space for Transmutation which is pretty great for your gearing since you'll be able to get so much STR/CON from bulls/bears + AoV. From there, use Expertise + haste as needed.

I do have some CHA, but not enough to do much with yet. I think I would have been better off with the trans focus, but we'll see when I've got the gear to support.

CHBanger wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:13 am
Here is what I currently have, base stats and feats:
STR 18 - I can get to a 30 with current gear and a 6 point BS, which I think maxes me out, would AoV add to that?
DEX 12
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 19
CHA 6

Feats: Craft Wand, GSF (Transmutation), Improved Crit (1-hand edge), Power Attack

Power Attack was probably a wasted feat, but I was using to open up other feats for later on.

And I have to really disagree on the smite evil. I get 1 attack every 3 minutes for ~20 points, if it hits, doesn't make a big difference considering the large hit point pool of mobs, I might be lucky to get it off twice in a single combat.

Well, since it appears that I'll never be able to use my Forge Domain spells with the Warpriest I'll have to look to see about a reset then as that was a key component to the RP aspect of the character. May have to mix with some levels of something else to get the more martial affect.

xf1313 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:03 am
You have the forge domin! My personal experience is....well, the non pathed cleric has a lot more flexibility.

May I suggest you to try the cloistered path? The scholar priest. Be 27 cleric and 3 monk in the end to get wis ac and full tumble. You can still strike hard with fist or hammer, you get to use all your spells

Xerah wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:29 am

xf1313 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:03 am
You have the forge domin! My personal experience is....well, the non pathed cleric has a lot more flexibility.

May I suggest you to try the cloistered path? The scholar priest. Be 27 cleric and 3 monk in the end to get wis ac and full tumble. You can still strike hard with fist or hammer, you get to use all your spells

Dude, if you’re going to give build advice, please stay with the realm of what the player is. Obviously this character has been RPed as war priest and suggesting they become something fundamentally different is just not very helpful. Sure, it’s not unheard of that a war priest could give up their weapons and become a scholar, it’s a pretty extreme change in roleplay that the player isn’t even asking for.

hugolino wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:47 pm Proposed SEEKER or INQUIRER or WATCHDOG or PROPHETIC Path

Known as seekers, inquirers, watchdogs, or prophets, these clerics travel from place to place to deliver messages, investigate perils to fellow believers, and root out enemies of the faith. When righteous purity is not enough to achieve justice, seekers do not hesitate to turn to guile, trickery, or intimidation. While zealously dedicated to their deity, they don’t always follow the rules and practices expected of their religion.

Alignment: A seeker’s alignment need not be one of the normally allowed worshiper alignments, but must be within one step of deity’s alignment along the axis of law-chaos or good-evil.

Weapon Proficiency: Simple and Rogue.

Armor Proficiency: Light, Shield

Special:
- Wearing armor heavier than Light Armor will incur a Spell Failure chance penalty.
- Can spontaneously cast divination and illusion spells up to 4th level.
- Rogue levels count towards path progression so long as divine class levels are greater.
- 1/3 of Rogue levels +1 count toward Cleric Caster Level.
- 1/3 of Cleric levels +3 count towards Rogue's Uncanny Dodge progression if Rogue levels are present.
- Divine Favor is unchanged.
- For the duration of Divine Power (1 hour), instead of gaining APR, all divination and illusion spells cast from the character’s spellbook have a % refund chance. Also raises Strength to 18 or - if it is higher already - by +2.
- +2 DC on Divination and Illusion spells.
- Spell Focus Divination feat at 6th level.
- Greater Spell Focus Divination at 18th level.
- By using the “-track” command, a seeker can detect enemies in the area.
- 1/6 of path levels as bonus to Intimidate skill.
- Monk wisdom to AC reduced to 2/3

1. Seeker
2. Inquirer
3. Inquisitor (too close to Paladin's Oath of Inquisition, maybe? But also the best religious theme imo)
4. Witch Hunter (too specific)
5. Torturer (probably not)

Kenji wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:21 pm I like this idea and might expand on this. It may need some more suggestions on names to go with it, however.

So far, the ones in mind are:

1. Seeker
2. Inquirer
3. Inquisitor (too close to Paladin's Oath of Inquisition, maybe? But also the best religious theme imo)
4. Witch Hunter (too specific)
5. Torturer (probably not)

I'm split between Seeker and Inquisitor but leaning towards Seeker. Something that's like the agent or an investigator for the church.

Kenji wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:21 pm I like this idea and might expand on this. It may need some more suggestions on names to go with it, however.

So far, the ones in mind are:

1. Seeker
2. Inquirer
3. Inquisitor (too close to Paladin's Oath of Inquisition, maybe? But also the best religious theme imo)
4. Witch Hunter (too specific)
5. Torturer (probably not)

I'm split between Seeker and Inquisitor but leaning towards Seeker. Something that's like the agent or an investigator for the church.