Arelith

I mean, barring the domain thing (Which I brought up in the original post and which I believe is unintentional/due for a nerf anyway), the issue appears to be with harper priest? Which clerics can take too.

Both harper priest as a class and cleric domains applying to FS spells are an issue.

Complex wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:49 pm I think that this class' current issue is that it doesn't have a very clear role to fill.

Favored souls exist in nwn2, and there their role is "Melee roflstomper".
It is - in nwn2 - one of the most powerful melee classes which is not equipment dependent, and is very hard to kill. Damage isn't high, but usually FS can poke anything in their path to death before buffs run out. That's because all their saves are high and ability to self-buff while maintaining full CL progression. However, there are huge differences in mechanics.

nwn2 favored soul can select type of energy resistance, gains proficiency in deity's favored weapon to which they gain focus and specialization, they receive DR 10 at level 20, and people frequently dip into cleric or something else to get epic divine might.

Additionally, nwn2 uses charisma to determine number of spells, but wisdom for DCs.

And yeah, in PnP they gain wings at high level.

I can't say about harper stuff. But being able to take cleric and get domain powers is definitely a bug.

Rosewood Revel wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:56 am I can't say about harper stuff. But being able to take cleric and get domain powers is definitely a bug.

Why?

Domains are your reward for being a cleric. Usable on Your cleric spellbook. Favored soul uses its own spellbook.

Empowered harms should only be affecting your cleric spellbook. They just happen to share the spell between themselves and druids. Are you also saying druids need to be able to take cleric and empower their harms without the feat?

Consider giving Favored Soul haste at spell level 5, rather than feat usage. It's not that big of a deal and honestly druids and clerics should just have haste at 5 too, its a necessary spell that consumes are everywhere for but its better to have for party support.

A FS will have the ability to shoot a few extras onto other people over a cleric so it'd be nice. Can't apply metamagic to a feat either.

Rosewood Revel wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:03 pm Domains are your reward for being a cleric. Usable on Your cleric spellbook. Favored soul uses its own spellbook.

Empowered harms should only be affecting your cleric spellbook. They just happen to share the spell between themselves and druids. Are you also saying druids need to be able to take cleric and empower their harms without the feat?

Hm. Divine magic is Divine magic?

Aren wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:59 pm

Rosewood Revel wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:03 pm Domains are your reward for being a cleric. Usable on Your cleric spellbook. Favored soul uses its own spellbook.

Empowered harms should only be affecting your cleric spellbook. They just happen to share the spell between themselves and druids. Are you also saying druids need to be able to take cleric and empower their harms without the feat?

Hm. Divine magic is Divine magic?

I guess we should just give druids domains too then

I'm actually pretty sure the harm overlap would work on druid too. Anyone checked?

Aren wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:06 pm

Rosewood Revel wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:56 am I can't say about harper stuff. But being able to take cleric and get domain powers is definitely a bug.

Why?

It's a bug because it's unintended functionality. It's fixed as of next reset. Or at least should be.

For the record, pnp favored soul abilities:

* No domains.
* Proficient with simple weapons, lgiht and medium armor, shields (except tower) and proficient with deity's favored weapon.
* Divine spells from cleric list.
* Cha determine number of spells cast and spell level availability.
* WIsdom determines dc.

* Level 3: Deity's weapon focus.
* Level 5: DR 10 to chosen energy type.
* Level 10: DR 10 to another chosen energy type.
* Level 12: Weapon specialization for deity's favored weapon.
* Level 15: DR 10 to another chosen energy type.
* Level 17: Wings. Flying speed 60 feet. Feathered if good, leathery/batlike if evil.
* Level 20: Damage reduction 10/silver if lawful, 10/cold iron if chaotic. Neutrals (on chaos/law axis) get to chose which they want.

Aniel wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:04 am

Aren wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:06 pm

Rosewood Revel wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:56 am I can't say about harper stuff. But being able to take cleric and get domain powers is definitely a bug.

Why?

It's a bug because it's unintended functionality. It's fixed as of next reset. Or at least should be.

Too bad.

Aren wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:00 am

Aniel wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:04 am

Aren wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:06 pm

Why?

It's a bug because it's unintended functionality. It's fixed as of next reset. Or at least should be.

Too bad.

No, it isn't, because it would make for too powerful builds, and would make clerics (other than dips and healers) redundant.

cowboy wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:00 pm Consider giving Favored Soul haste at spell level 5, rather than feat usage. It's not that big of a deal and honestly druids and clerics should just have haste at 5 too, its a necessary spell that consumes are everywhere for but its better to have for party support.

A FS will have the ability to shoot a few extras onto other people over a cleric so it'd be nice. Can't apply metamagic to a feat either.

To add to this: if they do get haste put on their spell list and improved invis is moved to 5, taking haste would require sacrificing another good spell to take it even if the known spells buff isn't reverted.

"Necessary" level 5 spells are currently: Battletide, Energy Buffer, Spell Resistance, True Seeing and I think Improved Invis should be added here. If haste is added, one of these would have to be sacrificed. If the known spells buff is reverted, two spells would have to be. Either way I think this would be a good thing as such sacrifices are the intended downside of spontaneous casters.

Post more of a suggestion:

I was thinking it would be neat to have a more arcane option to the Favoured Soul. This would be a path for those given their powers by magical dieties.

Loses access to:
1. Lall but light armor
2. Lower BAB

Gaines access to:

1. Magic missile
2. Mage armor
3. Isaac's lesser missile storm
4. Isaac's greater missile storm
5. Epic mage armor

Purplemyst wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:35 pm Post more of a suggestion:

I was thinking it would be neat to have a more arcane option to the Favoured Soul. This would be a path for those given their powers by magical dieties.

Loses access to:
1. Lall but light armor
2. Lower BAB

Gaines access to:

1. Magic missile
2. Mage armor
3. Isaac's lesser missile storm
4. Isaac's greater missile storm
5. Epic mage armor

I try not to just hard shutout any idea, but this is one I'm gonna go ahead and say is a definite no. Giving anything with cleric spells EMA and IGMS is terrible from a balance standpoint. It would just make it a better sorcerer, and sorc is already op. Sorry dude.

Two bugs found testing on the PGCC, not sure about on the main servers though obviously.

Scrying needs spell components, rather than piety.

Illusion project image (used on self or another) only lasts about 1 round before vanishing no matter what I do. Sending the message works fine though, and seems to run off piety (or didn't ask for spell components anyway)

serono wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:32 pm I took the feats craft wand and craft potion on the PGCC.
But its currently its not possible to craft wands or potions with the shaman.

The combat log says: "* Failure - Item creation not successful! *"

Are there plans to allow the feats to work?

Noticed this on the Shaman Feedback, and an issue with Favoured souls as well it seems (along with crafting scrolls). But I presume it's to do with them needing scrolls/wands added to them first, before they can. But thought I should throw it here too just in case was something else.

Will there be any class specific gear for favoured Souls?

Rigela wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

serono wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:32 pm I took the feats craft wand and craft potion on the PGCC.
But its currently its not possible to craft wands or potions with the shaman.

The combat log says: "* Failure - Item creation not successful! *"

Are there plans to allow the feats to work?

Noticed this on the Shaman Feedback, and an issue with Favoured souls as well it seems (along with crafting scrolls). But I presume it's to do with them needing scrolls/wands added to them first, before they can. But thought I should throw it here too just in case was something else.

The feats work on the real server. That's a pgcc issue.