Arelith

Wuthering wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:53 amArcane Archer class

Yes

all of the elven lore associated

No

Kind of like how Purple Dragon Knight doesn't require you to be a member of the Purple Dragons.

AstralUniverse wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:31 pm

Archnon wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:27 pm It stacks with the +3 bow though, right?

No.

Pleaase don't give wrong information. AA enhancement and damage stacks with everything. It's only specifically damage penetration valuation where the highest only is used.

The enchant arrow bonus does not count towards the +20 attack bonus cap.
Unlike normal enhancement bonuses, the bonus from enchant arrow stacks with an attack bonus (on the bow), so both bonuses are added to the attack roll. However for purposes of penetrating damage reduction, they do not combine and only the higher bonus is used.
Unlike normal enhancement bonuses, the bonus from enchant arrow stacks with a damage bonus (on the arrow).

Beyond the racial restrictions that keep getting brought up- What about the Weapon restrictions?

I'd love to play a Drow Arcane Archer using a Crossbow. Honestly, a Drow Arcane Archer using a bow just feels wierd.

TimeAdept wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:58 am

AstralUniverse wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:31 pm

Archnon wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:27 pm It stacks with the +3 bow though, right?

No.

Pleaase don't give wrong information. AA enhancement and damage stacks with everything. It's only specifically damage penetration valuation where the highest only is used.

The enchant arrow bonus does not count towards the +20 attack bonus cap.
Unlike normal enhancement bonuses, the bonus from enchant arrow stacks with an attack bonus (on the bow), so both bonuses are added to the attack roll. However for purposes of penetrating damage reduction, they do not combine and only the higher bonus is used.
Unlike normal enhancement bonuses, the bonus from enchant arrow stacks with a damage bonus (on the arrow).

I'm not giving any wrong information. We were talking about DR penetration from the start and it does not stack with weapon. You just started reading from the quoutes, assuming we were talking about ab.

OK, my bad. you are right. the quotes didn't seem very clear.

Opening Dwarven Defender up made perfect sense to me. Gnomes already have a PRC that is somewhat similar to DD, Breachgnome (5 level PRC giving bonuses to AC and AoO when fighting next to immobile objects). Halflings on the other hand did not, but since their ONLY war deity is fully focused on defensive warfare it really makes sense that halfling warriors would be inclined to focus on defensive fighting.

Opening AA on the other hand... I do not really see it making sense for other races, there are no other races with strong cultural ties to both magic and archery. (With the obvious exception of some fey.)

I would be open to opening it to pixies, in fact I am kinda surprised it is not already. Firbolgs, no, they have neither a strong culture of archery nor an affinity to arcane magics.

The only other option, and one I have considered suggesting in the past is opening it up to Halflings for use with Slings. The sling is a very important weapon to halflings culturally, and yet it is such a weak weapon it is rarely used, Halflings need a PRC to encourage its use somewhat and while AA is not really right for it, it could work perhaps as a placeholder until such time as someone has the time, skill, and inclination to make one. (The day Warsling Sniper makes it onto Arelith I am all over it.)

Someone mentioned a deepwood sniper prc and it looks pretty dope. The keen arrows and improved critical give me ranged weapon master vibes. The only issue I'd have are the levels that those are gained. As is, if implemented it would probably encourage dipping.

The idea of 15-20x3 crossbows, 18-20x4 bows, and 18-20x3 slings is savory though.

In the spots where Take Aim is slated, granting +1 enchant arrow instead fit.

I can't see how GMW would work (aside from the normal template usage), unless they had a special version of it programmed.


Either way, an archer prc that non-elves can take sounds like a breath of fresh air to me.

Either way, an archer prc that non-elves can take sounds like a breath of fresh air to me.

Yeah! I think the magical arrow business and all of the lore behind it can be left to the elves and a "weapon master for ranged characters" would be much more preferable.

We can have almost any class now, why not something fresh and new instead of problematically opening up something heavily tied to very specific racial lore?

Remember when only Humans could be Paladins?

Wuthering wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:16 pm

Either way, an archer prc that non-elves can take sounds like a breath of fresh air to me.

Yeah! I think the magical arrow business and all of the lore behind it can be left to the elves and a "weapon master for ranged characters" would be much more preferable.

We can have almost any class now, why not something fresh and new instead of problematically opening up something heavily tied to very specific racial lore?

Yes opening up Weapon Master for ranged weapons would be awesome. Don't know if it's possible though lol

Hello.

The team have discussed this and decided that this won't be going ahead.

Ultimatly we should respect the lore of the setting, and the lore says that elves are, supernaturally, the very best archers you can find. So letting anyone have access to 'Their cool thing' would breach that. Further more, it would act as a dissincentive for people to play elves. Whilst humans should absolutly be the most popular race, there should still be plenty of incentives to try out other races too.