Arelith

ltlukoziuz wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:12 am Ummm.... You're complaining about base NWN mechanics.

Well, alright, perhaps this one is misdirected.

The thing is I played nwn2 pws before nwn1 and there truesight does not break stealth. It actually should not, as per pnp rules:

True seeing, however, does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not help the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice secret doors hidden by mundane means. In addition, the spell effects cannot be further enhanced with known magic, so one cannot use true seeing through a crystal ball or in conjunction with clairaudience/clairvoyance.

So, when you heavily invest into stealth push it to the limit your character can reach, then have someone wave an item around and instantly beat your skill, that's extremely unpleasant.

Imagine if wizards had a consumable item that costs 1k gold, and lets them kill any barbarian or fighter instantly with no save, regardless of hp, at long distance.

Roughly the same feeling.

Void wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:26 am So, when you heavily invest into stealth push it to the limit your character can reach, then have someone wave an item around and instantly beat your skill, that's extremely unpleasant.

The only characters that could ever have a chance of spotting them is a Wisdom based character that's also invested in Spot. It's a lot easier to just be a Dexterity build and slip stealth in there as an afterthought than to pull off the same in Spot.

Security_Blanket wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:46 am

Void wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:26 am So, when you heavily invest into stealth push it to the limit your character can reach, then have someone wave an item around and instantly beat your skill, that's extremely unpleasant.

The only characters that could ever have a chance of spotting them is a Wisdom based character that's also invested in Spot. It's a lot easier to just be a Dexterity build and slip stealth in there as an afterthought than to pull off the same in Spot.

I was talking about true sight breaking stealth instantly, regardless of sneak's skill. But that probably belongs to another thread.