Arelith

putting this up for anything related to the post-war wharftown

Specifically for me, can we do something about the WTB spawning on or near the boat? Either move the spawns away or have lauric bypass WT alltogether, because why in the world would a boat captain make landing right in front of a big group of bloodthirsty bandits itching to jump on board?

Makes no sense, and its horrible for people just trying to get from brog to cordor or vice versa

Yeah I agree. I like the fact that the WT boys are the last to remain in the area (sweet irony in a way) but they should be.. like... barricading between the ruins of the buildings or something, right? There should be a boss who claims to be the sole leader of the Wharftown Refugees. Oh yeah and maybe their name should be changed to Wharftown Refugees and they will rob passengers and what not. Maybe they will make an underground movement to revenge Cordor.

CragOrion wrote:putting this up for anything related to the post-war wharftown

Specifically for me, can we do something about the WTB spawning on or near the boat? Either move the spawns away or have lauric bypass WT alltogether, because why in the world would a boat captain make landing right in front of a big group of bloodthirsty bandits itching to jump on board?

Makes no sense, and its horrible for people just trying to get from brog to cordor or vice versa

+10

Laurick needs to be taken to prison. He is obviously colluding with these bandits. Look at how he just lets them board his ship! He docks there for no reason, other than to let them board his ship! ... And how CONVENIENT that they do not attack or rob him. MHM. Okay Laurick. I'm onto you.

Why hasn't Laurick just packed up and left Wharftown yet?

why does laurick so openly cooperate with these brigands, yet still won't let outcasts aboard?

Blood on my Lips wrote:Why hasn't Laurick just packed up and left Wharftown yet?

Them Boyz payin' me nicely. Nearly doubled my assets already..

Captain Laurick wrote:

Blood on my Lips wrote:Why hasn't Laurick just packed up and left Wharftown yet?

Them Boyz payin' me nicely. Nearly doubled my assets already..

Well played.

Maybe have him charge double fare for travel to/from Wharftown, but give him a guard on the boat?

There's no reason what so ever that a casual sailor Laurick that delivers supplies from one settlement to another would dock the boat next to a group of armed bandits.

Astral wrote:There's no reason what so ever that a casual sailor Laurick that delivers supplies from one settlement to another would dock the boat next to a group of armed bandits.

We've been over this.

Captain Laurick wrote:

Blood on my Lips wrote:Why hasn't Laurick just packed up and left Wharftown yet?

Them Boyz payin' me nicely. Nearly doubled my assets already..

By his dialogue, Laurick is an ex-slaver. Having turned over a new leaf, he doesn't want to be caught associating with Outcasts. Not sure where his working with the Wharftown Boys fits into this, unless he's planning on going back to his old ways.

Add an option to bypass Wharftown for 150gp. Characters then can avoid the dangers of the bandits at added cost or risk being ganked to save a few coin.

Please please please. As a new player to the server, this oversight has made me consider leaving more than once. You're punishing players new to the server by leaving it like this.

Teshil wrote:Please please please. As a new player to the server, this oversight has made me consider leaving more than once. You're punishing players new to the server by leaving it like this.

Ask someone for escort
Ask someone for an invisibility spell / potion
Head to the Arcane Tower and port to Brog (and use the Captains from there)
Buy/craft a lens


I mean.. yeah. That's some options. But leaving is one, too.

You're right. It's just frustrating.

I believe the spawns have been left to stress the danger of entering Wharftown and the criminal presence of the Wharftown Boys.

Wharftown is not a place for casual travel. It is not safe.

And I think that is stressed by the Wharftown boys literally "boarding" the ship.

RP wise I think you could look at it like this: Wharftown boys may have some lingering threat over the ship captain. They don't want to kill him because the boats are important, and it's a constant delivery of adventurers into their clutches! Like wise, if you're going to pay the captain to go to a dangerous place, who is he to say no? "Okay, i'll take your 50 gold if you /really/ want to go to Bandit town."

The captain doesn't fight. So they don't fight him. The Thugs are only after the adventurers.

On an OOC note of spawns:

Another thing is that it might not be the location of the spawns at all. When speedy mcspeedy monk goes zooming through Wharftown the NPCs will try to follow him. The NPCS will then be dragged to the boat and sit there until the next passer by arrives.

Think of when Wharftown was a town, how many people would just plow through the town with a horde of Wharftown boys tailing them? It's the same thing just now, there's no Waymen NPCs to kill the bandit NPCs

DM Always This Late wrote:I believe the spawns have been left to stress the danger of entering Wharftown and the criminal presence of the Wharftown Boys.

Wharftown is not a place for casual travel. It is not safe.

And I think that is stressed by the Wharftown boys literally "boarding" the ship.

RP wise I think you could look at it like this: Wharftown boys may have some lingering threat over the ship captain. They don't want to kill him because the boats are important, and it's a constant delivery of adventurers into their clutches! Like wise, if you're going to pay the captain to go to a dangerous place, who is he to say no? "Okay, i'll take your 50 gold if you /really/ want to go to Bandit town."

The captain doesn't fight. So they don't fight him. The Thugs are only after the adventurers.

On an OOC note of spawns:

Another thing is that it might not be the location of the spawns at all. When speedy mcspeedy monk goes zooming through Wharftown the NPCs will try to follow him. The NPCS will then be dragged to the boat and sit there until the next passer by arrives.

Think of when Wharftown was a town, how many people would just plow through the town with a horde of Wharftown boys tailing them? It's the same thing just now, there's no Waymen NPCs to kill the bandit NPCs

Apologies Always This Late, but I'm going to have to take issue with this.

Firstly, there's no in game warning at all that Wharftown is dangerous, anywhere. So any new or particularly casual players are going to be oblivious. It's not like the good Captain goes, 'Wharftown aye? You sure you want to go there, place is over-run with bandits!'

Secondly, and most importantly, people arn't upset that they're going to Wharftown and being attacked. They're upset they're going to _Brog_ and being attacked. Specifically they can't understand the In Character rational for the good Captain to go, 'Brog ye say? Right ho. Let me just dock with at this burning ruin with no port facilities filled with murderers for a few moments on the way, alright?'

As for the Wharftown boys... Wanting fresh adventurers, I'm a little dubious on that. They're so low level well over half the Island could solo them and their entire hideout. I imagine the vast majority of the Captain's passengers murder them on every ambush. It's only the unfortunate and unexpecting that get hit. There can't be very much profit in it at all. Indeed, with all his fares, the Captain himself is the person I'd want to hold to ransom...

What I'm really saying, is please, please can we have an option to sail straight to, or from Brog for 100-150 coins? There's no credible way to resupply or whatever at Wharftown. There can't be any reason the Captain wouldn't take extra coin not to risk certain death.

And if he is _Wilfully_ delivering his passengers to their deaths, it feels a bit cheap that we're not allowed to execute him for trying to get us murdered.

I actually have to agree with Rwby, it does seem more OOC then IC that Laurick will suddenly decide his future passengers lives are no longer worth his investment in a boat and takes lesser bribes to the side, yet he won't up his rate for a direct course to the Crows Nest or Brog? Sorry but it does feel a bit like if you don't know the server well enough, well too bad for you, you can just sit here and die so you learn NEVER to explore. Though I always thought exploring was supposed to be encouraged?

Yeah, I actually agree with the last two posters as well. Regardless of how IC you think it is, it is just OOC when you're half dead after transition as the area loads and you can't react. I'm not sure what spawn system that you use here, but a return home tag if x distance away from the waypoint can get around this (depending on the system).

Nobody enjoys the feeling of helplessness in this case.

New and old players alike stumble onto high level mobs. We may die, but we quickly learn not to do that again. Don't really need the dev team to babysit players. Sometimes bad stuff just happens.

Tried addressing things IG. FYI I just don't feel like i'm doing anything.

I've tried setting up signs and whatnot to warn travelers and keep spawns from rushing the ship. Everything gets smashed or stolen within 10-12 rl hours. Patrolling and taking down spawns only does so much, and its rare to run into people while doing this. Short of having a near 24/7 pc presence, I don't see it getting fixed IG.

Well, with WT there is a whole lot of hate underneath the surface for the DMs and the Cordor side of things for how the whole event went. (For reference, see to the fact that WTers and people who did things for WT were excluded from doing counter activities during the event. With such honors going to people who had no stake in the actual town, nor were they given a win condition and as such had no reason to actually log on for it other than to just die for no reason, see to the reason Khabul was the only one in WT defending). So I would recommend just not expecting anything to be done in the long or short of it for the situation being a bit too.. Toxic to touch right now.

what, you wanted people to show up to get bashed as the actually good settlement on arelith was removed?

memes aside, the wharftown boys are rather silly, and it's hard to "justify" things form an ic perspective when you're getting shot by arrows as you come into the loading screen

Thats kind of my point, and is part of why this situation is likely to not get diffused in any reasonable frame of time.