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Weapon Crafting Discrepancies

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:26 pm
by Hibiscus Leaves
Hello, I was trying to plan a new concept around the sling and ended up taking notes on the latest weapon recipes instead.
Assuming glass bottles, glass vials, cut gems and ingots are purchased and not made.

ASHWOOD HEAVY CROSSBOW (900 CP)
  • 1 Adaptive Gears: 40CP, 1 Standard Catalyst {40CP, 1 Magic Blood, 1 Silver Ingot, 1 Glass Bottle}, 2 Brass Gears {12 CP, 2 Flask of Oil [8CP, 4 Harnak Seeds, 2 Glass Vial], 2 Brass Ingot}, 1 Dragon Oil {80 CP, 1 Dragonhide, 1 Dragon Blood, 5 Flask of Oil [20 CP, 10 Harnak Seeds, 5 Glass Vials]}, 1 Emulsified Oil (20 CP, 4 Harnak Seeds, 2 Charcoal {5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire, 1 Iron Chunk}, 1 Small Seed Balm {10CP, 3 Strideleaf, 6 Nuts, 3 Sassone Leaves, 6 Yarrow Leaves); CP Total: 225
  • 2 Ashwood Stabilizer: 100CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 115
  • 1 Grand Masterly Heavy Crossbow: 211CP, 2 Sapphire, 6 Animal Sinew, 1 Greater Magic Weapon, 6 Hardwood; CP Total: 211
  • 1 Hardening Finish: 40CP, 1 Arjale Chunk, 1 Mithril Chunk, 1 Hardwood Resin (15CP, 5 Glass Vial, 4 Hardwood), 1 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire); Total CP: 60CP
  • 1 Mithril Ingot
Total CP: 1511

ASHWOOD LIGHT CROSSBOW (900CP)
  • 1 Adaptive Gears: 40CP, 1 Standard Catalyst {40CP, 1 Magic Blood, 1 Silver Ingot, 1 Glass Bottle}, 2 Brass Gears {12 CP, 2 Flask of Oil [8CP, 4 Harnak Seeds, 2 Glass Vial], 2 Brass Ingot}, 1 Dragon Oil {80 CP, 1 Dragonhide, 1 Dragon Blood, 5 Flask of Oil [20 CP, 10 Harnak Seeds, 5 Glass Vials]}, 1 Emulsified Oil (20 CP, 4 Harnak Seeds, 2 Charcoal {5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire, 1 Iron Chunk}, 1 Small Seed Balm {10CP, 3 Strideleaf, 6 Nuts, 3 Sassone Leaves, 6 Yarrow Leaves); CP Total: 225
  • 2 Ashwood Stabilizer: 100CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 115
  • 1 Grand Masterly Light Crossbow: 211CP, 2 Sapphire, 6 Animal Sinew, 1 Greater Magic Weapon, 6 Hardwood; CP Total: 211
  • 1 Hardening Finish: 40CP, 1 Arjale Chunk, 1 Mithril Chunk, 1 Hardwood Resin (15CP, 5 Glass Vial, 4 Hardwood), 1 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire); Total CP: 60CP
  • 1 Mithril Ingot
Total CP: 1511

ASHWOOD LONGBOW (600CP)
  • 2 Ashwood Stabilizer: 100CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 115
  • 1 Dragon Oil: 80 CP, 1 Dragonhide, 1 Dragon Blood, 5 Flask of Oil (20 CP, 10 Harnak Seeds, 5 Glass Vials); CP Total: 100CP
  • 2 Hardening Finish: 80CP, 2 Arjale Chunk, 2 Mithril Chunk, 2 Hardwood Resin (30CP, 10 Glass Vial, 8 Hardwood), 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire); Total CP: 115CP
  • Grand Longbow: 259CP, 2 Sapphire, 6 Animal Sinew, 1 Greater Magic Weapon, 6 Hardwood; CP Total: 259
Total CP: 930

ASHWOOD SHORTBOW (600CP)
  • 2 Ashwood Stabilizer: 100CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 115
  • 1 Dragon Oil: 80 CP, 1 Dragonhide, 1 Dragon Blood, 5 Flask of Oil (20 CP, 10 Harnak Seeds, 5 Glass Vials); CP Total: 100CP
  • 2 Hardening Finish: 80CP, 2 Arjale Chunk, 2 Mithril Chunk, 2 Hardwood Resin (30CP, 10 Glass Vial, 8 Hardwood), 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire); Total CP: 115CP
  • Grand Shortbow: 257CP, 2 Sapphire, 6 Animal Sinew, 1 Greater Magic Weapon, 6 Hardwood; CP Total: 259
Total CP: 928

ENHANCED ELITE SLING (900CP)
  • 4 Greater Catalyst: 240CP, 4 Magic Blood, 4 Gold Ingot, 4 Glass Bottle; CP Total: 240
  • 2 Ashwood Stabilizer: 100CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 115
  • 1 Dragon Oil: 80 CP, 1 Dragonhide, 1 Dragon Blood, 5 Flask of Oil (20 CP, 10 Harnak Seeds, 5 Glass Vials); CP Total: 100CP
  • 1 Elite Sling: 3 Tanning Acid (3 CP, 3 Salt, 6 Fruit, 3 Glass Vial), 3 Small Cloth (3 CP, 6 Cotton), 3 Small Leather (3 CP, 3 Small Hide, 3 Tanning Acid {3 CP, 3 Salt, 6 Fruit, 3 Glass Vial}), 2 Sapphire, 1 Greater Magic Weapon; CP Total: 9
Total CP: 1364

ENCHANTED QUARTERSTAFF (718CP)
  • 1 Ashwood Stabilizer: 50CP, 4 Charcoal + 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire), 2 Adamantine Chunk, 1 Natural Gums (10CP, 4 Nuts, 5 Glass Vial, 2 Hardwood, 2 Softwood, 4 Malyss Root); CP Total: 65
  • 2 Emulsified Oil: 40 CP, 8 Harnak Seeds, 4 Charcoal (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire, 1 Iron Chunk); Total CP: 45
  • 2 Hardening Finish: 80CP, 2 Arjale Chunk, 2 Mithril Chunk, 2 Hardwood Resin (30CP, 10 Glass Vial, 8 Hardwood), 2 Pine Tar (5CP, 2 Glass Bottle, 4 Hardwood, 1 Alchemist's Fire); Total CP: 115CP
  • 2 Hardwood
Total CP: 943
In comparison...
MASTERLY DAMASK SCIMITAR (543CP)
  • 2 Coal
  • 1 Adamantine Ingot (4 CP)
  • 1 Steel Ingot (1 CP)
  • 1 Silver Ingot (2 CP)
  • 1 Mithril Ingot (2 CP)
Total CP: 552 (543 if ingots are bought)

LESSER MOONBLADE (512CP)
  • 1 Star Sapphire
  • 1 Mithril Dust
  • 4 Coal
  • 2 Silver Ingot (4 CP)
  • 3 Diamond Dust
Total CP: 516 (512 if ingots are bought)

DALE SWORD (400CP)
  • 1 Rogue Stone
  • 2 Mithril Dust
  • 4 Coal
  • 1 Steel Ingot (1 CP)
  • Bless Weapon
Total CP: 401 (400 if ingots are bought)

DWARVEN RUNE AXE (284CP)
  • Dwarven Incantation
  • 4 Coal
  • 1 Iron Ingot (1 CP)
  • 2 Steel Ingot (2 CP)
  • 1 Cone of Cold Scroll
Total CP: 287 (284 if ingots are bought)

OROG HEAVY SWORD (600CP)
  • 1 Mithril Dust
  • 4 Coal
  • 1 Adamantine Ingot (4 CP)
  • 4 Steel Ingot (4 CP)
Total CP: 608 (600 if ingots are bought)

SVIRFNEBLIN RUNE HAMMER (480CP)
  • 1 Beljuril Gem
  • 2 Mithril Dust
  • 4 Coal
  • 1 Steel Ingot (1 CP)
  • 1 Bless Weapon
Total CP: 481 (480 if ingots are bought)
I am seeing a massive spike in different crafts, CP costs and DCs for all of the non-throwing ranged weapons and the new carpentry quarterstaff whereas forging weapons are (in comparison) low-CP, single-craft affairs. For the weapons reliant on loot items, such as the dale sword and the lesser moonblade, I can at least understand a thought process of, "they'll be very rare as well as require a specific race to craft, so lower CP and lower DC will be okay". However, in the case of masterly damask weapons, adamantine isn't really "rare" at all.

All of that said, my suggestion is to either...
  1. increase CP costs for ingots,
  2. decrease CP costs for some of the carpentry/alchemy/herbalism ingredients, or
  3. cut down and clean up some of the ingredient lists for overstuffed recipes.

Re: Weapon Crafting Discrepancies

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:13 pm
by Irongron
The crafting recipe system is extensive, and therefore cluttered with discrepancies and oversights.

Nothing short of a full-overhaul will change this, and that just isn't on the cards right now. Still, the observations above are most welcome. Moving this to Rejected Suggestions.
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