Duergar

[Might-N-Magic]

I've noticed when you look at Duergar PCs, it says "Race: Dwarf." Drow do not say "Elf" and Svirfs do not say "Gnome" so this would seem a bug.

My character has crazy amounts of Spot and Lore and apparently still isn't able to recognize a Duergar on sight.

Note: Probably the same for Derro too.

[Ebonstar]

it has to do with the subrace tab being used on creation you hit dwarf then subrace duergar you show as duergar

[The Kriv]

I've noticed when you look at Duergar PCs, it says "Race: Dwarf." Drow do not say "Elf" and Svirfs do not say "Gnome" so this would seem a bug.

My character has crazy amounts of Spot and Lore and apparently still isn't able to recognize a Duergar on sight.

Note: Probably the same for Derro too.

what race is the character you are using to make this observation on the Duergar? Because if it is a drow PC or an elf PC, then when you DO look at a drow, of course you see them as drow (for both elf and drow characters can instantly tell each other's true identity.. while a standard human would only see 'elf' when they look at drow pc.) -and because Svirfs don't generally go around trying to hide their Svirf-ness because svirfs aren't technically 'monsters' in the same way drow or duergar are monstrous.

so, identifying what race of the character you are making this observation from (and also the class of the character) it might help determine if it is indeed a bug or not.

[Mattamue]

I've examined a duergar as a dwarf and it showed up as dwarf. About 5-6 lore score at the time I'd guess.

[Might-N-Magic]

I'm a drow, again, looking at undisguised duggers and derro with oodles of lore/spot and only seeing "dwarves."

[Mattamue]

Have to have 20 "hard" lore, be a ranger, or a cousin.

Examine on creatures:

As long as the target is not disguised or has their disguise bypassed their race, or subrace, will be displayed as below:

Obvious monster skin races, including orog and deep imaskari, don't require an additional check.
Racial subraces (that's your elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings) require either 1) The examiner to be the same race. 2) Favored enemy in the respective race. 3) Lore of 10 or above.
Planetouched races require a lore of 15 or above.

A failed check or any unlisted subrace (mostly this is your 5%'s) only reveal the base race.

Re: Arelith Updates!
Post 25 Feb 2018 22:52

Examine update:

1) Planetouched removed.

2) Spells/items no longer work on the lore check

2) Lore increased to 20 for racial subraces.

3) Ranger level added to lore check if they have favored enemy instead of it being automatic.

Edit 4: Clarity edit:

4) Only proper favor enemy rangers and elves can ID drow. Only proper favored enemy rangers and dwarves can ID duergar. Lore check also required.

Coming soon, maybe, a system for more long term study.

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