Arelith

Outcasts start in the Underdark city of Andunor.

(Requires human or half-orc, non-good alignment)

DM Senke wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:07 am A few points to remember:

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-Outcasts are not people who stole a loaf of bread to feed their starving puppy. They are the worst criminals/individuals known to society. They are your serial killers and other detestable sort.

Irongron wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:53 am The Truth of the Matter

Redemption for outcasts is mostly impossible, as whether innocent or guilty (in the cases of those outcasts accused of having done something) their notoriety is such that the populace is convinced of it. While an outcast may be able to convince an individual character of their good nature, they cannot easily manage this in the eyes of every NPC in the game.

xanrael wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:48 pm I could see a neutral alignment Outcast. Imagine a doctor that kidnaps, kills, and dissects the downtrodden and sick they cannot seem to save to learn more about anatomy and the treatment of diseases. At the same time they employ that knowledge to save the lives they can and begin to write research texts on it.

They're not serving a dark god, trying to open a portal to the Abyss, or gleefully killing people. Heck if one measures time by millennia their research might end up saving 10x more than they killed. If their methods are learned they're probably going to have a lynch mob after them and have to run to the Underdark though.

Ebonstar wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:45 pm disecting or desecrating bodies is evil. there are no doctors in faerun, you have clerics

xanrael wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:48 pm I could see a neutral alignment Outcast. Imagine a doctor that kidnaps, kills, and dissects the downtrodden and sick they cannot seem to save to learn more about anatomy and the treatment of diseases. At the same time they employ that knowledge to save the lives they can and begin to write research texts on it.

Durvayas wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:02 pm How about we keep them as evil because they belong in Andunor, rather than sencliff and Sibiyad. The latter two are places for ambiguous PCs who want to be edgy but neutral.

We don't need "Woe is me, I'm innocent and misunderstood!" special snowflake outcasts in Andunor.

If your PC is happy to live among the monsters when there is a perfectly good pirate island or lawless desert town as an alternative within easy reach, they should almost certainly be evil.

xanrael wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:14 pm It's getting far off topic but sure:
from Waterdeep and the North book:
"THE GUILD OF APOTHECARIES & PHYSICIANS Master: Unthril Zond (1st level illusionist, Master Physic)"

"Repeatedly the Guild has tried to have all non-member medical practitioners (including all clerics) banned from practicing in Waterdeep, so that they would have to join the Guild or cease providing it with any competition."

"...[bunch of stuff about gp costs] and medical attendance, with nursing, splints, dressings, emergency medicine... [more stuff about gp costs]"

From the 3.5E description of the Heal Skill: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/heal.htm

Treats poisons, diseases, recovers ability damage and HP, etc. Both in the Lore and mechanically you can treat things without casting clerical spells. Heck the Heal Skill/Kits and the non-magical Pies of Restoration from Herbalism already allow one to play this concept.

I can start spitting out paragraphs on this but figured a few lines was enough and going too deep into it will lead to it being locked.

Ebonstar wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:41 amonly bad thing is waterdeep and the north source is from 2nd ed, as much as i love 2nd ed it doesnt apply

xanrael wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:48 pm I could see a neutral alignment Outcast. Imagine a doctor that kidnaps, kills, and dissects the downtrodden and sick they cannot seem to save to learn more about anatomy and the treatment of diseases. At the same time they employ that knowledge to save the lives they can and begin to write research texts on it.