Arelith

Szaren wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:17 am There are numerous ways to entirely negate Balagarn’s Iron horn, as in gain immunity towards it’s effect. I suggest looking into these before crying for a nerf for something that have a chance to actually counter the broken thing that is monks.

Tarkus the dog wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:31 pm

Szaren wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:17 am There are numerous ways to entirely negate Balagarn’s Iron horn, as in gain immunity towards it’s effect. I suggest looking into these before crying for a nerf for something that have a chance to actually counter the broken thing that is monks.

And there is also a way for a warlock to get rid of those 'immunities'.

Let's play a little game.

I'm a warlock, you're a dex character. You try to kill me. Tell me how you go about it.

Szaren wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:30 pm When monks have 49 ab, 65 ac, 46 SR (which amounts to about 80% chance to ignore spells by a CL 30 caster), then I’d say “Perhaps other things need to be addressed first.”

Also assuming that a dex characters should be easily able to beat a tank, is a moot argument.

Tarkus the dog wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:46 pm I step on a trap, it deals 300/600 damage to me ( if they managed to stack it well, and if I didn't stop at the first trap, for some reason). I don't care in particular because I'm a 700 hp character I drink a heal potion or greater restoration to heal myself to full again and use detect trap wand when it's safe for me to do so, and decide to avoid the rest of the traps if there are any.

I timestop, run into the AA and Balagarn's him. He's on the ground now. Me and my balor beat him into a pulp..

Dreams wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:29 pm Lots of things you can do against this. Have SR, have some more STR, use Ghostly Visage, use Minor Globe of Invulnerability, Etheral, etc. I mean the sky is the limit! You could even just roll up a monk haha

Szaren wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:32 pm

Dreams wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:29 pm funny meme

Exactly.

Lunargent wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:46 pm Good idea. KD and IKD should also be on a cooldown, for the same reason.

Anyway Ghostly visage is really low on the breach priority list (shadow ghostly cannot be breached, also), and any SR will pretty much negate it. Any boost to strength helps negate it. Saying "well x defeats y" doesn't really mean anything for your argument, because that's just the nature of counterplay in PvP.

What Warlocks need as is to be completely nuked and remade as a real class with more useful spells, but that's another thread in itself.

maybe wait a while after dying to a balagarn's before loading up the forum?

maybe wait a while after dying to a balagarn's before loading up the forum?

and any SR will pretty much negate it

Anyway Ghostly visage is really low on the breach priority list

shadow ghostly cannot be breached, also

KD and IKD should also be on a cooldown, for the same reason.

Zavandar wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:30 pm where are we getting the idea that sr negates it? A 30 warlock has 30 cl. Sr helmets are 26 (useless). Drow have 32 (rarely useful). Are we getting it mixed up with potions?

also, any class can get disc to counter kd. It's easy for anyone to get mid 60's disc and be very safe from kd from most builds, and true strike is avoidable by just moving. You also can't chain true strike kd.

You can, however, alternate quickened balagarn's and damage spells. A 10 str rogue can only buff up to 22 str (and most gear sets will not accommodate this, as dex/con are higher priorities). That is not safe. Same goes for most casters. Even warlocks are afraid of each other.

globes and visages are on the breach list and will be taken by the opening mords. Now you have to choose between reapplying them and getting blasted/beaten by the summon or just running because the warlock is closing the gap to balagarn's.