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Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 pm
by Nevrus
I love the new system a whole lot!
But I noticed one instance which suggests it's a bit 'too' universal.
There was a wild horse lieutenant. A horse. I killed it for testing purposes, and there was no loot, because wild horses are not set to drop remains.
There's likely to be other instances of this throughout the server, where creatures that don't drop loot and aren't intended to be fought can roll as lieutenants.
I have no reasonable way of looking through all of them to tell, but I wanted to escalate it for someone who does.
Thanks!
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:54 pm
by Exordius
Same issue with rats, they have lieutenants but these drop nothing aside from fur and meat.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:27 am
by Zavandar
no not Splinter
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:54 am
by Liareth
When you killed these creatures, did your summons get the last hit? If so, I think this is caused by a longstanding bug with loot generation and summon last hits. A fix is in the pipeline for that particular bug.
Definitely a valid concern about random NPCs turning unique. On the other hand, it can make for really funny or cool situations. I'll keep an eye on it over the next while and curtail it if it becomes too crazy.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:33 am
by Nevrus
I killed the horse myself with no summons. I don't think they're set to drop the "Remains" item that contains loot at all. Can't speak for the rat.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:07 am
by xanrael
Would make for some interesting Animal Empathy companions. Lt. Bambi, slayer of dragons.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:59 pm
by Apothys
Great Ranger Henchmen!
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:52 pm
by malcolm_mountainslayer
oh man firbolg rangers with special animal henchmen. Talk about big ol nature friendly giant.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:03 am
by RedGiant
Instead of sharpshooting this out of the gate, I want to say we need to come up with a badge or new color for unretired retired admins.
Man, this new system is great! As a low-level character who has one of his first fights against Dery the Badger, and a nice first magic item from the combat to boot, please let the system stand.
Sure, if you want to make it not work on NPCs, fine. But I think even the lvl 3 should have a chance of participating against the badger lord or rat king. This is amazing, high-adventure, tavern-tale stuff.
Thanks Liareth!
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:36 am
by Diegovog
Funniest part was running into a Lt. Iron Golem in the Duergar fortress. I imagine a hardy duergar creating a golem and getting so attached they named it "Milion"
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:54 pm
by Kenji
Nevrus wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 pm
There was a wild horse lieutenant. A horse. I killed it for testing purposes, and there was no loot, because wild horses are not set to drop remains.
I wonder what'd happen if it was ridden. Maybe something special can be done for the special horses?
Diegovog wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:36 am
Funniest part was running into a Lt. Iron Golem in the Duergar fortress. I imagine a hardy duergar creating a golem and getting so attached they named it "Milion"
That is one way to interpret it and it's pretty awesome!
Loving the lieutenant system so far, and even if the wild NPC may be unintended, I'd say keep it as it is. Maybe even expand on it.
It does somewhat indirectly buffed Rangers or Druids with AE skills, which is even better.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:51 pm
by MissEvelyn
RedGiant wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:03 am
Instead of sharpshooting this out of the gate, I want to say we need to come up with a badge or new color for unretired retired admins.
Man, this new system is great! As a low-level character who has one of his first fights against Dery the Badger, and a nice first magic item from the combat to boot, please let the system stand.
Sure, if you want to make it not work on NPCs, fine. But I think even the lvl 3 should have a chance of participating against the badger lord or rat king. This is amazing, high-adventure, tavern-tale stuff.
Thanks Liareth!
This I agree with wholeheartedly. Please let the system stay in the way it is.
We were roleplaying for over an hour and a half outside of Cordor, and all this time a non-hostile named boar was ever so slowly making its way to us, its curiosity perked by every in-game hour that passed, until nearly a day later it decided to attack us.
It was an endearing moment with our characters occasionally watching the boar as it slowly inched its way towards us.
Once again, thank you, Liareth! =)
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:04 pm
by godhand-
IF the naming is random, magic just happened.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:59 am
by Irongron
godhand- wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:04 pm
IF the naming is random, magic just happened.
Oh my word. That is random, and is just wonderful.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:20 am
by GwaiLo
The Lieutenant system is amazing. One of my favorite updates of recent times.
Re: Lieutenant System - Needs Curtailing of Possible Creatures
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:45 pm
by Nitro
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