Arelith

I am wondering, why is the Breath DC based on Charisma considering such things are usually based on Constitution?

As per the SRD: https://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClas ... ciple.html

My guess is since RDD needs Bard or Sorcerer levels that the server meant it as a benefit since they those classes are more cha types.

JubJub wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 am My guess is since RDD needs Bard or Sorcerer levels that the server meant it as a benefit since they those classes are more cha types.

Exactly...and CON DC would be meh idea...you hardly have more CON then CHA on RDD build...and if you want to get as much DC as posible from that breath its much better to max CHA then CON ....

This change would just made not great feature even less usefull...

CON would be a great idea.

CptJonas wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:32 pm

JubJub wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 am My guess is since RDD needs Bard or Sorcerer levels that the server meant it as a benefit since they those classes are more cha types.

Exactly...and CON DC would be meh idea...you hardly have more CON then CHA on RDD build...and if you want to get as much DC as posible from that breath its much better to max CHA then CON ....

This change would just made not great feature even less usefull...

RDD are typically melee builds and you typically want fully enchanted +12 con on every build be it melee or caster based. I would think they would only benefit from being CON based

CptJonas wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:32 pm

JubJub wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 am My guess is since RDD needs Bard or Sorcerer levels that the server meant it as a benefit since they those classes are more cha types.

Exactly...and CON DC would be meh idea...you hardly have more CON then CHA on RDD build...and if you want to get as much DC as posible from that breath its much better to max CHA then CON ....

This change would just made not great feature even less usefull...

As previously mentioned, RDDs are most of the time a melee build which in most cases will mean that your con is higher than charisma. Besides, as I pointed, source material dictates such abilities are Con based since it is not a spell.

Lilja_91 wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:20 pm I am wondering, why is the Breath DC based on Charisma considering such things are usually based on Constitution?

As per the SRD: https://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClas ... ciple.html

It is either an oversight or intentional move to ensure that RDDs don't all turn into fire-breathing bullet/arrow sponges.

Wouldn't mind either way. Amusingly, it looks like oriignal breath in vanilla nwn had flat unchanging DC.

Thinking about it using charisma, implies the ability is magical, while using constitution implies it is physical (as in your character grows a fire-breathing gland).

Either way, the question shouldn't be "Why isn't it the same as in P&P?" but "Does RDD need a buff?"

I'm not qualified to answer the question, but it's the most important question to ask when changing a mechanic to make a class stronger. I've seen the damage numbers of RDD breaths and those things are pretty scary.

Nitro wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:36 am Either way, the question shouldn't be "Why isn't it the same as in P&P?" but "Does RDD need a buff?"

I'm not qualified to answer the question, but it's the most important question to ask when changing a mechanic to make a class stronger. I've seen the damage numbers of RDD breaths and those things are pretty scary.

I hate to agree with these words but here we are. It does not really matter if its based on con or cha from a thematic point of view, you can justify both RP-wise if you try hard enough. Question is how much DC do you want RDDs to have in this server. With Con based, the DC will surely be higher for 99% of RDDs on this server.

I agree that it should be based on Constitution. And the DC being higher would make that ability actually useful, since everyone here has magnanimously high saves anyway.

Not everyone is a div build, not everyone has evasion, and iirc you can get a dc of like 40 and it ignores sc

Zavandar wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:54 pm Not everyone is a div build, not everyone has evasion, and iirc you can get a dc of like 40 and it ignores sc

Not everyone has Time Stop, not everyone can cast 10 maximized IGMS's and etc. Giving a novel example like that isn't a very constructive argument. Nevermind, the cooldown is 10 min.

that was an argument against everyone having saves. It was relevant to the discussion

also you can build it to do like 400 damage

Yeah a 400 damage nuke doesn't particularly sound like it needs to be made even better, that's enough to outright delete weaker builds and a solid finisher against tougher builds.

Nitro wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:14 pm Yeah a 400 damage nuke doesn't particularly sound like it needs to be made even better, that's enough to outright delete weaker builds and a solid finisher against tougher builds.

First I'd like to see the calculation where it hits that and what kind of things you'd have to sacrifice to focus into it.

Sorry, I was in bed and didn't have the spreadsheet. 332 damage, reflex dc of 44 that ignores sc. Build can also get 46 ab and 65 ac BEFORE expertise. 4 attacks per round, too

see why I kind of dont want to share it?

RDD breath should absolutely not be made more powerful than it is.