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Regarding the shadow conjuration nerf

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:02 am
by Party in the forest at midnight
Hello,

In the last update, darkness and invisibility were removed from the spell shadow conjuration.

This is a lot bigger of a nerf to mundanes than it might seem. When put onto wands, shadow conjuration is over twice the caster level of darkness or invisibility. A darkness wand's caster level is 3, which means it only lasts 18 seconds, compared to the caster level 7 of shadow conjuration giving 42 seconds of darkness. Offhand I think invisibility wands are only caster level 3 as well. While invisibility is a lot less desired on a wand, I know some low levels like having it as an option in case something goes wrong in a dungeon.

I can understand if it's deemed too overpowered to have mage armor, darkness, and invisibility on one wand, but could the caster level on darkness wands be increased to CL 7, the equivalent of using it with shadow conjuration?

Re: Regarding the shadow conjuration nerf

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:00 am
by monkeywithstick
Already asked for this on the new spells thread. Dev team were looking at it.

Re: Regarding the shadow conjuration nerf

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:32 pm
by BHR55
Party in the forest at midnight wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:02 am Hello,

In the last update, darkness and invisibility were removed from the spell shadow conjuration.

This is a lot bigger of a nerf to mundanes than it might seem. When put onto wands, shadow conjuration is over twice the caster level of darkness or invisibility. A darkness wand's caster level is 3, which means it only lasts 18 seconds, compared to the caster level 7 of shadow conjuration giving 42 seconds of darkness. Offhand I think invisibility wands are only caster level 3 as well. While invisibility is a lot less desired on a wand, I know some low levels like having it as an option in case something goes wrong in a dungeon.

I can understand if it's deemed too overpowered to have mage armor, darkness, and invisibility on one wand, but could the caster level on darkness wands be increased to CL 7, the equivalent of using it with shadow conjuration?
Someone beat me to it, but yes I think this is reasonable. Assuming nobody on the team objects I will make the change since this was not intended as a nerf.

Re: Regarding the shadow conjuration nerf

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:09 am
by Party in the forest at midnight
Thank you very much for the reply and for looking into it!