Arelith

Drowboy wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:56 pm It says undead spawns.

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:55 pm The darkness update doesn't seem to be working for me.

The update says darkness will not affect undead.

The darkness cast by driders will cause my undead to stop attacking, until I run into it .. spot the enemy and playertool1 my undead to attack it. Then the enemy is protected by 50% concealment. All of this exactly the same as before the update.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:13 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:55 pm The darkness update doesn't seem to be working for me.

The update says darkness will not affect undead.

The darkness cast by driders will cause my undead to stop attacking, until I run into it .. spot the enemy and playertool1 my undead to attack it. Then the enemy is protected by 50% concealment. All of this exactly the same as before the update.

I see what you did there

It wasn't a buff for Necromancers, it's nerfing what was a very powerful vs PvE spell and somewhat overused in a particularly unlimited of a night time undead area on he Surface.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:13 pm It wasn't a buff for Necromancers, it's nerfing what was a very powerful vs PvE spell and somewhat overused in a particularly unlimited of a night time undead area on he Surface spell.

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:50 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:50 pm Anyway, you have neither lost nor gained anything from the spell being nerfed so your wanting it to be changed to suite your summons is a bit far fetched.

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:53 pm

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:50 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Ohhh! Okay!
Thank you. I thought that it only affecting spawns would mean none of that would happen to hostile NPC undead, and only player controlled ones.

If all the undead are getting the same penalties, then that's cool beans.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:59 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:53 pm

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:50 pm

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Ohhh! Okay!
Thank you. I thought that it only affecting spawns would mean none of that would happen to hostile NPC undead, and only player controlled ones.

If all the undead are getting the same penalties, then that's cool beans.

Hostile Undead NPCs and Undead Spawns are not affected by Darkness. Just Summons.

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:01 pm
Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:01 pm
Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

Naturally occurring creatures formed from God Like realms or curses are just more powerful than your Undead.

That more than adequately covers the reasoning behind this inability to Summon with every ability of a real creature.

CookieMonster wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm

Hazard wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:01 pm
Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

Naturally occurring creatures formed from God Like realms or curses are just more powerful than your Undead.

That more than adequately covers the reasoning behind this inability to Summon with every ability of a real creature.

Nitro wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:46 pm
*Looks at his epic vampire lord tearing level 4 zombies to shreds*

Aeralad wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:10 pm Cmon it seems understandable. Let's not dogpile or mountain out of molehill here. It seems like this could've been asked 'Was the intention to exclude undead summons?" Leave it at that with a possible staff answer.