Improved Whirlwind Feedback
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:39 am
So lets start with a brief explanation about normal whirlwind.
-It is a FULL bab attack against all surrounding enemies within 5 feet (although, I'm 100% sure it is determined or just affected by weapon range. For a fist monk it definitely feels like larger radius than a scimitar).
-It is an instant action, sort of. It deploys instantly but has an animation of 2-3 seconds in which the character is locked. But the response is instant when clicking the button. It leaves room for creative use and the player's skill is somewhat relevant in timing it right but it is not an instant action as blinding speed is, for example.
Now, to put it simply..
Improved whirlwind is a downgrade.
-It is still a full bab attack against all surrounding enemies, no differently than whirlwind there.
-The range is increased to 10 feet, but as I said, it is probably subject to weapon's range so it's hard to tell if the increase is actually to 10 or to even more. So that's an upgrade on that aspect, at the very least, I will admit.
-Most importantly, and the part where this feat is a downgrade, is that it's a normal full round action, as if you were using a wand or any item special ability. This means that the moment you click the ww button your character stops acting and stands in 'between actions' until the end of that round, in order to do the whirlwind next round, eventually ending up costing you no less than a full round and up to full 2 rounds to cast. Also, because of this, player skill and lag weight more.
Suggestions:
-Give PC monks who are forced to have it, the option not to use it, but a toggle command that switches between improved and normal WW.
-Give said PCs the option to have it removed indefinitely by a DM, until (if) it's improved one day.
-Remove it from monks.
-(EDIT:) Remove the cooldown from improved ww. It will still take a full round to perform the action, thus 6 second cooldown.
I'd really like to hear your opinions if you've had a different experience with improved whirlwind and found it an upgrade. Maybe I'm missing something?
(some typos edited)
-It is a FULL bab attack against all surrounding enemies within 5 feet (although, I'm 100% sure it is determined or just affected by weapon range. For a fist monk it definitely feels like larger radius than a scimitar).
-It is an instant action, sort of. It deploys instantly but has an animation of 2-3 seconds in which the character is locked. But the response is instant when clicking the button. It leaves room for creative use and the player's skill is somewhat relevant in timing it right but it is not an instant action as blinding speed is, for example.
Now, to put it simply..
Improved whirlwind is a downgrade.
-It is still a full bab attack against all surrounding enemies, no differently than whirlwind there.
-The range is increased to 10 feet, but as I said, it is probably subject to weapon's range so it's hard to tell if the increase is actually to 10 or to even more. So that's an upgrade on that aspect, at the very least, I will admit.
-Most importantly, and the part where this feat is a downgrade, is that it's a normal full round action, as if you were using a wand or any item special ability. This means that the moment you click the ww button your character stops acting and stands in 'between actions' until the end of that round, in order to do the whirlwind next round, eventually ending up costing you no less than a full round and up to full 2 rounds to cast. Also, because of this, player skill and lag weight more.
Suggestions:
-Give PC monks who are forced to have it, the option not to use it, but a toggle command that switches between improved and normal WW.
-Give said PCs the option to have it removed indefinitely by a DM, until (if) it's improved one day.
-Remove it from monks.
-(EDIT:) Remove the cooldown from improved ww. It will still take a full round to perform the action, thus 6 second cooldown.
I'd really like to hear your opinions if you've had a different experience with improved whirlwind and found it an upgrade. Maybe I'm missing something?
(some typos edited)