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With them in action, now people are actually being treated appropriately. Rather than every last person having to be sniffed out and being found as a co conspirator of the deep city.

TimeAdept wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:40 pm If you restrict slaves, I guarantee you the next move you'll see will be a ton of pirates in Andunor.

(It already is this way, tbh.)

Continuing to restrict Human options in the UD is just going to make people move down the line until you've "been forced" to restrict all the options that exist. This will be an endless battle against an option that wasn't really hurting the server in any way shape or form. The better place is just to... let Outcasts exist as a usual option again, because there was absolutely nothing wrong with them doing so, and it was certainly a better option than the current slave-and-pirate "meta" that exists.

With them in action, now people are actually being treated appropriately. Rather than every last person having to be sniffed out and being found as a co conspirator of the deep city.

I feel like the latter was actually roleplay, and the former is right clicking and reading a tag, but you are the DMs and this is your call, I guess. In this case, add tags to surfacers who come below, because those people should be treated appropriately, rather than needing to be sniffed out and found out as a co-conspirator of Sunlander cities. Right now, without the tags people don't roleplay as being out of their element in a terrifying monster filled Underdark as often, and simply behave as a 'person with access'.

Drowboy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:39 pm If a slave gets freed, does it still have access to UD writs and the Hub portal? If so, given how known the slave-freeing mechanics are, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing people making slaves for the express purpose of pushing them through said mechanics, acting as if they're an outcast with a funny little tag the entire time. In fact, wouldn't they also not have the outcast tag, as well?

Drowboy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:39 pm If a slave gets freed, does it still have access to UD writs and the Hub portal? If so, given how known the slave-freeing mechanics are, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing people making slaves for the express purpose of pushing them through said mechanics, acting as if they're an outcast with a funny little tag the entire time. In fact, wouldn't they also not have the outcast tag, as well?

Drowboy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:59 pm

TimeAdept wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:40 pm If you restrict slaves, I guarantee you the next move you'll see will be a ton of pirates in Andunor.

(It already is this way, tbh.)

Continuing to restrict Human options in the UD is just going to make people move down the line until you've "been forced" to restrict all the options that exist. This will be an endless battle against an option that wasn't really hurting the server in any way shape or form. The better place is just to... let Outcasts exist as a usual option again, because there was absolutely nothing wrong with them doing so, and it was certainly a better option than the current slave-and-pirate "meta" that exists.

With them in action, now people are actually being treated appropriately. Rather than every last person having to be sniffed out and being found as a co conspirator of the deep city.

I feel like the latter was actually roleplay, and the former is right clicking and reading a tag, but you are the DMs and this is your call, I guess. In this case, add tags to surfacers who come below, because those people should be treated appropriately, rather than needing to be sniffed out and found out as a co-conspirator of Sunlander cities. Right now, without the tags people don't roleplay as being out of their element in a terrifying monster filled Underdark as often, and simply behave as a 'person with access'.

All of this is completely right.

Drowboy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:59 pm

TimeAdept wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:40 pm If you restrict slaves, I guarantee you the next move you'll see will be a ton of pirates in Andunor.

(It already is this way, tbh.)

Continuing to restrict Human options in the UD is just going to make people move down the line until you've "been forced" to restrict all the options that exist. This will be an endless battle against an option that wasn't really hurting the server in any way shape or form. The better place is just to... let Outcasts exist as a usual option again, because there was absolutely nothing wrong with them doing so, and it was certainly a better option than the current slave-and-pirate "meta" that exists.

With them in action, now people are actually being treated appropriately. Rather than every last person having to be sniffed out and being found as a co conspirator of the deep city.

I feel like the latter was actually roleplay, and the former is right clicking and reading a tag, but you are the DMs and this is your call, I guess. In this case, add tags to surfacers who come below, because those people should be treated appropriately, rather than needing to be sniffed out and found out as a co-conspirator of Sunlander cities. Right now, without the tags people don't roleplay as being out of their element in a terrifying monster filled Underdark as often, and simply behave as a 'person with access'.

All of this is completely right.

Kuma wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:07 pm that was more a side-suggestion; the main one is lowering outcast slightly and bumping slave to the same requirement, while enabling players with a proven track record access more freely.

Xerah wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:07 am I like seeing more slaves. It’s a lot more thematic. That said...

Slaves should be level restricted (max like 5 if started as a slave or forced to wear a lower ability/power piece of equipment). It’s really silly to have super powerful slaves running around.

AstralUniverse wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:25 am I'm not in favour of relating between awards and RPR in any way. No one's time is more precious than another's. Therefore there's no reason why one player should have X options with minor award and another player should have XYZ options with same award.

Aelryn Bloodmoon wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:50 am This is actually really simple. The Rp of having to be sniffed out wasn't a problem for its own sake- it would have been fine for everyone except outcasts.

Why? Because much like when you make a paladin, you are agreeing to fulfill certain restrictions to keep the class, one of the conditions of being an outcast is being notoriously reviled upon creation, and despite agreeing to that when making the character people are still trying to justify not doing it and having to be sniffed out.

It is this very insistence, repeatedly across the months despite the number of times this has been repeated, that reminds me why the tags should probably stay for a very, very long time.

If you are not notoriously infamous on the island, you are not an outcast, and you don't deserve to start in the underdark for pretending to be one.

PS. Sorry for my rant, I like Kuma's idea. Except the tag part.

TimeAdept wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:28 amhow come you have to "deserve" to start in the underdark

Kuma wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:43 am

AstralUniverse wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:25 am I'm not in favour of relating between awards and RPR in any way. No one's time is more precious than another's. Therefore there's no reason why one player should have X options with minor award and another player should have XYZ options with same award.

waived. not needed. unnecessary.

my suggestion is to require a minor award for outcast or slave.

i then further propose that spending an award is not required if you already have a 30; and can make them freely. not that you'd need a 30 AND an award.