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Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:45 am
by Quidix
I really like how Brew Potion now also provides benefits to potion crafting for Herbalist and Alchemists.

My one thought is that Brew Potion requires spell casting to take as a feat, and this mean mundane potion makers cannot take the feat. Could it be considered to lift the spellcasting requirements for the the Brew Potion feat?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:00 pm
by Itikar
Is there a way for a commoner, who is barred from multiclassing, to get the Brew Potion feat?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:02 pm
by AstralUniverse
I love this thread.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:20 pm
by Draco
To what end? The feat enables you to put your level 3 or lower spells in a bottle. If you don't have spells what benefit does the feat give?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:23 pm
by Kenji
Draco wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:20 pm To what end? The feat enables you to put your level 3 or lower spells in a bottle. If you don't have spells what benefit does the feat give?
It produces 1.5 times more potions for herbalists.

Example:
A character without the Brew Potion feat would make 2 heal potions per craft.
A character with the Brew Potion feat would make 3 heal potions per craft.

Also I'd love to see the mundanes being able to take this feat for thematic purposes and mechanical advantages as well, for as long as the build can spare it.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:24 pm
by Void
Draco wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:20 pm To what end? The feat enables you to put your level 3 or lower spells in a bottle. If you don't have spells what benefit does the feat give?
It lets herbalists brew more potions at the same price. In addition to the spellcasting thing.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:56 pm
by Archnon
I actually suggested this when the change was first made to create more crafted potions. It would also be nice if brew potion then added a magical or mundane dweomer tier as well. It would give mundane players an alternative option for getting to tier 3 if that is party of their build goal.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:06 pm
by Void
Archnon wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:56 pm I actually suggested this when the change was first made to create more crafted potions. It would also be nice if brew potion then added a magical or mundane dweomer tier as well. It would give mundane players an alternative option for getting to tier 3 if that is party of their build goal.
An alternative feat could be introduced. "Master Brewer" or something like that, which would have same effect as brew potion for herbalists, but wouldn't stack with it. I mean we already have "Improved Dweomercrafting".

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:52 pm
by cowboy
Just make the feat able to be taken by anyone.

It's an inexplicable advantage and makes mundane potion crafters literally inferior.


also it means: not needing to make a new feat or messing with anything.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:19 pm
by Quidix
Itikar wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:00 pm Is there a way for a commoner, who is barred from multiclassing, to get the Brew Potion feat?
There is not, and this is one of my issues with it.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:58 am
by Quidix
This absolutely remains a dream for my commoner.

However, I noticed the initial implementation for Brew Potion was done by the great yellowcateyes (a wonderful change), and given his / her retirement I suspect any change is unlikely?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:39 am
by Quidix
Someone thought of the idea of granting Brew Potion alongside SF: Craft Mastery (Or ESF: Craft Mastery) - that seems like a neat option to me as well.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 11:55 am
by Itikar
Maybe tie it to ranks in Herbalism?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:48 am
by garrbear758
Quidix wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:58 am This absolutely remains a dream for my commoner.

However, I noticed the initial implementation for Brew Potion was done by the great yellowcateyes (a wonderful change), and given his / her retirement I suspect any change is unlikely?
Brew potion is being changed to a general feat and should be going live sometime soon(ish).

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 5:47 am
by Quidix
This is amazing news! Thank you Garrbear!

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 6:24 am
by Archnon
Will this also add a tier to Mundane Dweomercrafting?

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 3:27 am
by AstralUniverse
Archnon wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 6:24 am Will this also add a tier to Mundane Dweomercrafting?
This would be great on one hand; hells, I'd pick it on my ol' shelved Kensai cot instead of 1 Craft Mastery feat or 10 skill points... but that's also problematic because then people would be like "Hmm I'm not a herbalist... yet... and I dont cast any spells... yet... but I will pick it anyway because it does the same thing as Craft Mastery but more so w/e" which is weird. But just seeing it as a general feat for any character to pick without any requirements or at least without spell casting related requirements, that's already awesome.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 8:07 am
by garrbear758
I'm not changing it for dweomercraft, I'm just removing the requirements to take it. It will still add a magic tier as before.

Re: Brew Potion and Mundane Herbalists

Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 9:05 pm
by cowboy
Wonderful!