Arelith

Yeah, yeah, I know! This is a thinly veiled suggestion. Just hear me out.

Given that the Cheval de Frise is literally a barrier, the entire purpose of which is to block paths, maybe the basic fixture text for this and a number of others like stone altars (which were at one point removed entirely from the crafting matrix for this very reason) should include brief instructions on how to use them properly, and a warning not to use them as long term barriers.

New players are unlikely to read Irongron's post before building their first wall viable fixture, so it seems like an easier way to prevent future headaches.

Heck, you could just throw it on all fixtures, so that the message gets everywhere.

Possibly a good idea. As I said in my announcement this was largely our own fault. We can't say fixtures shouldn't be used as barriers and then add a literal barrier fixture.

It was awful mixed messaging, and they should never have been added in their current form.

It's like having a no E(rotic) R(ole)P(play) rule then adding in a recipe for leather thongs.

I am thankful for this clarification of the stance. I think a deterioration upon the Cheval is a good idea.

With this clarification of stance, will some of the previously abused fixtures be returning? I'm hoping for Menhirs and the Market Stall.

Might want to look at changing how bashed fixtures work as well. As they are now, they become permanent objects that can block pathways until they either are remade or deteriorate away. To what it might look like? I have no honest idea, but I do know that they've been used in the past to block egress in conflicts (which was rightfully reported).

Irongron wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 2:48 pm Im adding in a recipe for leather thongs.

This is all I read.

Shrouded Wanderer wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Irongron wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 2:48 pm Im adding in a recipe for leather thongs.

This is all I read.

A man of culture.

Also, if barricades are going to deteriorate after 1 day, it'd be awful nice to see the emulsified oil removed from the recipe. The next unknowing player to suffer through making that just to have their fixture melt is going to throw a huge fit.

The Rambling Midget wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 3:10 pm

Shrouded Wanderer wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Irongron wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 2:48 pm Im adding in a recipe for leather thongs.

This is all I read.

A man of culture.

OUB barbarian

I think even more fixtures having that deteriorating effect would be cool depending on what they are -- and if they are easy enough to make.

Speaking of "easy to makes", crafting a "Cheval de Frise" requires 100 Crafting points, 1x Emulsified Oil, 2x Ingots (Iron) and 10x Hardwood. They also weight 100-200lb each and take 6x inventory slots to store.

Are the crafting requirements something that should be looked at, now that it is a temporary structure?

Definitely. I'm actually excited to see temporary conflict placeables, and thanks to Action Replay we have some exploding barrels too.

Looking forward to a place-able Ballista fixture that you can use to shoot like an actual thing.

Halfling Rogues drop caltrops as they run away.

Half-Orc Barbarians drop giant wooden barricades.

Same difference.

Haya

The Emulsified oil component for this fixture has now been removed. Everything else remains as is, but we may revisit it.

Also as it only makes IC sense to have something to tie the the wooden struts together, I've introduced a new item - utilizing Small Leather. These are Leather Thongs - a tailoring material strictly to be used in making fixtures like this.

Just to clear everything up.


(That last bit is a joke. It just needs 10 hardwood and 2 iron ingots now)

The GrumpyCat wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 10:06 pm Haya

The Emulsified oil component for this fixture has now been removed. Everything else remains as is, but we may revisit it.

Also as it only makes IC sense to have something to tie the the wooden struts together, I've introduced a new item - utilizing Small Leather. These are Leather Thongs - a tailoring material strictly to be used in making fixtures like this.

Just to clear everything up.


(That last bit is a joke. It just needs 10 hardwood and 2 iron ingots now)

Its only a joke now, but when the +3 to Str leather thongs come you'll know today was the day...



Also, what about creating walled structures that leave the normal walkways open?

At the church of bane there are several areas that are frequently spoken of of adding a bit of a bottleneck to, also as an RP motivation to perhaps upgrade the church later on with actual walls placed down.