Arelith

Doesn't this make a lot more sense? Without even going into PnP, where it is actually tied to the sorcerer (at least in 5e), it just feels better? You're channeling raw, chaotic magic, and the point of wizard is kind of the opposite of that?

I feel like it should be a sorcerer path. In fact, it's rather strange that it's not already, shadow mage is available for both wizard and sorcerer, but wild mage, which makes a lot more sense for sorcerers, isn't?

I understand our wild mages are slightly different lore-wise, but it just feels a bit off to me.

This whole time I thought sorcerers could be wild-mages!

.. Huh.

It would be way too strong.

Also, in 3rd, it's a PRC any arcane caster can use, so no arguments need made about 'lore accuracy,' for the duration of the thread, so we can all focus on the fact it would be hilariously strong.

Drowboy wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:17 pmIt would be way too strong.

Yeah. On Arelith this would essentially mean taking a normal Sorcerer, which already has ridiculous spammability, and giving it a very good chance of doubling that spammability. Imagine a TF Sorc's DPS but with a normal mage's full buffs.

Isn't there an issue with the class then? Mechanically. I hear wild mage wizard is just objectively stronger than standard wizard, and that seems like an issue. I'd rather see it changed and made available to sorcerers as well (if not exclusivly, it's not really an issue of lore, it's an issue of thematic clashing, that's why I only mentioned pnp in passing)

Wizard needs help right now. It's great for utility, but its combat power is falling behind, whereas it used to be one of the best. Wild Mage gives it enough cookies to be good.

The trouble with applying it to Sorcerer is that the class is already powerful enough. No matter what Wild Mage is or becomes, you can't expect to get balanced results if you apply the same bonuses to two disparate classes.

The Rambling Midget wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm Wizard needs help right now. It's great for utility, but its combat power is falling behind, whereas it used to be one of the best. Wild Mage gives it enough cookies to be good.

The trouble with applying it to Sorcerer is that the class is already powerful enough. No matter what Wild Mage is or becomes, you can't expect to get balanced results if you apply the same bonuses to two disparate classes.

Well, again, if the class is lackluster (which, I mean, I've never played wizard, but I don't think it is?), then that should be looked into. If wizard isn't performing well without the wild mage path, then there's a problem there, I'd say. It means there's no mechanical reason to play standard wizard, because wild mage is just going to be the better choice.

You mention sorcerer is already powerful enough, which means wild mage is just a buff. So, I dunno, seems like something needs fixing there?

Lots of things need a lot of fixing. I'm not arguing with that, just responding to what you suggested.

Before Wild Mage can be applied to Sorc, other issues would need to be addressed.

The Rambling Midget wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:28 pm Lots of things need a lot of fixing. I'm not arguing with that, just responding to what you suggested.

Before Wild Mage can be applied to Sorc, other issues would need to be addressed.

That's fair.

I'd personally be okay with a lesser wild mage version for sorcerers. I just think wild surge is mechanically really fun, and sorcerer wild mages could make for some interesting characters. It's not a priority by any means though, just thought it might make for some conversation.

Chaos mage;

Sorc subclass
Can't force surges (no fate, no reckless dweomer)
20% surge chance
Gains one extra spell known per level. This spell is randomly given per rest.
1 less spell per day, per level.
Gains no benefit from dark blessing etc

A sorceror variant of wild mage where one hass less control (perhaps no or lesser fate) might work both thematically and mechanically.

reverse it for sorcerers. im not sure exactly how it works, but make it so that they proc it less often (1% compared to 5%), maintain some randomness when they perfect surge, and dont replenish spells. since it would be too powerful by default, im not a build person though im just a fool on the internet