Arelith

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is exactly caused by Loremaster or if it is somehow a bug on my character but the following seems to be happening:

Trying to learn a language using the 16 Intelligence (3) modifier is not providing any progress, regardless of swapped books or how much of a language is spoken near me.
I learnt Draconic, Celestial, Infernal and Abyssal while not using the 5th loremaster language choice yet.

This would technically make me 1 language over the 3 limit if it is the issue and may be the reason I am not gaining any progress at all.

As per:
http://wiki.nwnarelith.com/Loremaster#Bonus_Language

These Loremaster languages should not inhibit the learning of additional modifier languages.

Regards,

Did you gain some progress in the language before learning it fully with the loremaster feat?

No. I had not picked up any language books until after I learned the languages through the Loremaster -bonus_language menu.

Keeping a curious eye on this as a LM that also has had her language progress frozen for some unknown reason! I sent a bug report in a while ago, but I'm not sure it was ever determined what the problem was. That was back in January.

Did you gain some progress in the language before learning it fully with the loremaster feat?

I know this hadn't been the case for me! I didn't bother holding onto any phrasebooks for the languages I was going to learn with LM, but after the very first language I learned naturally, all my progress elsewhere was completely frozen.

With a natural INT modifier of 4, definitely shouldn't have been the case. Not sure what the problem is!

Would like to know if this is a known issue or is being looked at as I'd hate to get locked out of language learning

Did you try learning with the various language tutors, or from speakers?

Monks and bards, with their class slot bonuses, have an issue that makes them able to learn only from other speakers, but not from npc tutors.

I have neither Monk nor Bard levels. And I have not tried learning from NPC's yet, I will see when I get a chance if it even gives me any points.

I have personally tried (to no avail) swapping phrasebooks with someone who is gaining progress with their own book when this freeze of progress occurred. I've also gone to multiple hour lessons with no progress. The NPCs tutors don't give me progress either (but they used to!)

Out of curiosity, Breach Gnome, do you have any class/racial bonus languages?

Gnome and that's it.
I can confirm I've tried swapping books with someone that is rapidly learning languages to 0 gain.

Just spent two hours listening to Elven alongside a friend who's books I had copied, they gained a substantial amount of progress, while mine is still locked at 0%.

My character has T3 enchanting and being able to learn the languages I need for runic items would be ideal.
Is anyone looking into this? Would appreciate being told.

I am having this exact same problem.

Oooooh so that's why. I think I ran into that too.

Itikar wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:24 am Did you try learning with the various language tutors, or from speakers?

Monks and bards, with their class slot bonuses, have an issue that makes them able to learn only from other speakers, but not from npc tutors.

Damn That's a bug/unintended right? I guess given how the langage system is often compared to wizardry in terms of code, we can expect bugfix to take a while or never come xD

Rico_scorpion wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:02 pm Oooooh so that's why. I think I ran into that too.

Itikar wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:24 am Did you try learning with the various language tutors, or from speakers?

Monks and bards, with their class slot bonuses, have an issue that makes them able to learn only from other speakers, but not from npc tutors.

Damn That's a bug/unintended right? I guess given how the langage system is often compared to wizardry in terms of code, we can expect bugfix to take a while or never come xD

I am not sure if that is the same bug discussed here. It seems that loremasters are unable to learn even from speakers. For bards and monks you can just learn from speakers normally. Npc tutors are not very fast for learning a language anyway.

NPC tutor progression also seems to be based on int mod. I can tell you from personal experience that they do quite a lot, over time, for an int-based wizard. That can really add up if you make visits every other day to see if the tutor is present.

As per the forced relevels issued I have now all 5 language choices back.

However:


And a book reset by a bookbag:


Still has me at no progress, not even a colour change:


While with base 16, modified:


I believe this is now a fault with the base language system and loremaster in some regard.

Just went to the ambassador ship with someone else and tested on the Elven teacher:




I gained no progress while they did.

Im curious. If you choose all your loremaster languages, does this affect it at all?

My PC has 16 INT, bard levels, and LM levels - and I've not had any problems learning languages even after taking all five LM bonus languages. I've taken phrasebooks in and out of bookbags when needed for a language lesson, too.

Kessarin wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:12 pm My PC has 16 INT, bard levels, and LM levels - and I've not had any problems learning languages even after taking all five LM bonus languages. I've taken phrasebooks in and out of bookbags when needed for a language lesson, too.

Have you finished gaining fluency in a language that wasn't tied to your LM bonuses? I didn't have my progress freeze until I finished learning infernal.

I've not reached fluency in any non-LM languages.

I'm planning a fresh wizard/loremaster in the future and this seems like a pretty concerning bug if so many people are getting it.

Will anyone on the team be able to acknowledge this is not intended?

This is a bug, it is not intended. Hopefully it will be looked into and fixed soon!

I'm going to bump this thread daily until a member of the staff acknowledges it exists.

Bumping again, and I should bump the other half dozen threads on broken loremaster features too honestly.