Arelith

Description
On a warlock 16, palermaster 5 character, the palemaster undead summoning feats (Animate Dead, Summon Undead) have a max ucl tier 3.

As a prestige class, it seems as if they should be an extension of the base class and grant UCL tier 5 in this case.

Steps to reproduce
Have 16 warlock, 5 palemaster
Summon undead through palemaster feats
Check UCL after

Expected result
UCL based on combined capable classes, reaching UCL tier 5.

Actual result
Max UCL tier 3

Screenshot(s)

Misc Notes
In the image, I have first cast a warlock spell, set UCL to tier 5 and then summoned undead with palemaster feats.
Then I checked -ucl

Which Server(s)?
Found in the Underdark

Gaming Platform(s)?
Windows 11

This is part of an ongoing unresolved bug impacting feat-based summoning. Several classes have been badly impacted by it.

nod nod thank you.

We pushed some fixes recently that should be in live.
Is this still an issue?

Unless that fix was implemented as part of this most recent update (the one requiring extended maintenance), feat based summoning issues seem to be unresolved.

The most recent update included an additional tweak, so please test again and let us know if everything is working as expected :)

Okay reports are coming in.

This issue is still unresolved.

I'm going to need more details about your build and the ability you're using to summon undead, then.

This seems to be happening to all feat-based summoning not correctly taking caster level into account.

Thus it is not impacting actual spells.

It is impacting pale master summon undead feats

It is impacting dirgesinger's dirge of awakening

It is impacting blackguard's summon feats

I have also heard it is impacting warlock's eldritch summon but I haven't confirmed this personally.

The UCL change to items is when it started causing these feats to stop correctly calculating their intended potency.

There is a little more information to be found in a series of reports about this issue that were prematurely closed.

Specific level arrangements would be helpful.
With expected UCL tier and Actual.

In my case it's a 20 bard 10 dirgesinger with lasting inspiration using dirge of awakening (which is mummy dust UCL tier)

This is what I should be getting

This is what I often get

Multiple reports have been made on the subject since the item UCL fix went live. It seems to be happening to anyone whose class uses feats to summon rather than spells.

Summoning spells from actual spellbooks work fine.

The effect pictured above is inconsistent and casting a spell (such as a cantrip) causes the feats to start summoning at their proper potency again. Which is tough luck for blackguards who have no spells and thus no means of convincing the feat to behave.

FYI, the feedback text might be unreliable due to the changes sk implemented. Please try summoning a creature instead and check its tier that way.

A blackguard has reported to me that summoning is pulling the correct tier.

I've had a chance to play around with my own summons (dirgesinger) and they're also pulling the correct tier.

I can't account for the other comments I've read through today about incorrect summons.

Wizard PM works fine by the way, all my summons are correct.

Just when I was starting to think this was fixed.

After playing for a couple hours and hopping across multiple servers, I got curious and decided to test again.

Once again the -ucl command returned an erroneous report

Unfortunately what was actually summoned corresponded to the -ucl report.

Exiting the game completely and logging back in was no help, so it wasn't a desync from all the server hopping. I simply haven't cast any spells in a long time and dirge of awakening has forgotten who I am.

It may be that, in fact, the UCL command is breaking your actual UCL (if the UCL calculations fail to make sense of your character or the source of the spell, they may be returning a zero-value).
We've been mulling on how to solve this issue.

For the moment I'd advise everybody to avoid using the -UCL command.

Well I'll be... works on my end.

PM Animate Dead summons 2 Zombie Bezerkers.
PM Summon Undead summons 3 Zombie Bezerkers.

My expected ucl tier is tier 5 (for now... just you wait), so it works on this character (Warlock 18, Palemaster 7). Nicely done.

Just in case -ucl turns out to not have been the problem, it was nice to have the option of summoning lower available tiers (though I didn't use it THAT often, but the freedom in undead models was impressive ).

Given the lack of updates on this, we'll assume that we effectively fixed all UCL related issues.
Keep in mind that some changes went live today (see updates) and it may yield a different summon if you are under PrC lvl 9.

Locking and archiving, but don't hesitate to open a new thread if something explodes. Again.