Dirgesinger

[facesmash]

Can someone help me with this? I see that there's a 20/10 bard/dirge build out there somewhere, but its not clickable in the spreadsheet I have access too so just wondering if someone can help me with what to take and when. I've never really touched bard before, so its all new to me.

Thanks.

[JubJub]

Are you on discord?

[Juuj]

Dipping 3 evangelist is worth considering on a dirgesinger as it offsets the lost bard song levels.

So 17/3/10 bard/evangelist/dirgesinger is considered “optimal”

[AstralUniverse]

I'm not sure 17/3/10 is optimal or even good at all.
Not only you drop 3 cl vs dispels, you also drop bard lvls 18-20 which give you more spells. Your song lvl is already quite high and is also 30 for your undead summons so personally I would recommend 20/10 because 17/3/10 would mean giving up too much stuff.

[Kythana]

I'm not sure 17/3/10 is optimal or even good at all.
Not only you drop 3 cl vs dispels, you also drop bard lvls 18-20 which give you more spells. Your song lvl is already quite high and is also 30 for your undead summons so personally I would recommend 20/10 because 17/3/10 would mean giving up too much stuff.

17/3/10 has 30 CL versus dispels. It doesn't even need AD: Abjuration. This has been stated to be intentional.

Feel free to test on PGCC.

[Ruzuke]

However at this point with evangelist a Dirgesinger serves a deity. It may be great mechanically but the RP should be in focus to furthering the deity who grants their cleric power's wills.

[AstralUniverse]

I'm not sure 17/3/10 is optimal or even good at all.
Not only you drop 3 cl vs dispels, you also drop bard lvls 18-20 which give you more spells. Your song lvl is already quite high and is also 30 for your undead summons so personally I would recommend 20/10 because 17/3/10 would mean giving up too much stuff.

17/3/10 has 30 CL versus dispels. It doesn't even need AD: Abjuration. This has been stated to be intentional.

Feel free to test on PGCC.

Actually we did test it, and I dont know if it's been changed since (there was no documented change since tho, I'll say that) and you do not get the +3 cl for items/potions, only your spellbook. Items have 27 cl. I also question whether or not it is actually in fact stated as intentional. I havent seen such statement anywhere and the wiki speecifically says cleric dip cancels the +3 cl bard gets. So the fact you do lose the +3 for wands/potions/etc but keep it for your spellbook contrary to what is advertised on the wiki, for me is a red flag that it's not working as intended and is likely just bugged.

[Kythana]

I'm not sure 17/3/10 is optimal or even good at all.
Not only you drop 3 cl vs dispels, you also drop bard lvls 18-20 which give you more spells. Your song lvl is already quite high and is also 30 for your undead summons so personally I would recommend 20/10 because 17/3/10 would mean giving up too much stuff.

17/3/10 has 30 CL versus dispels. It doesn't even need AD: Abjuration. This has been stated to be intentional.

Feel free to test on PGCC.

Actually we did test it, and I dont know if it's been changed since (there was no documented change since tho, I'll say that) and you do not get the +3 cl for items/potions, only your spellbook. Items have 27 cl. I also question whether or not it is actually in fact stated as intentional. I havent seen such statement anywhere and the wiki speecifically says cleric dip cancels the +3 cl bard gets. So the fact you do lose the +3 for wands/potions/etc but keep it for your spellbook contrary to what is advertised on the wiki, for me is a red flag that it's not working as intended and is likely just bugged.

You do not though. I don't know how you're testing it.

[AstralUniverse]

I tested it about the same way you did. Interesting. I was doing it on bard evangelist palemaster, so maybe there's some difference there, although I dont see why there would be. I guess something changed.

[Kythana]

I tested it about the same way you did. Interesting. I was doing it on bard evangelist palemaster, so maybe there's some difference there, although I dont see why there would be. I guess something changed.

Nah, nothing changed. It's specifically the combination of bard-dirge-evang that works and nothing else.

Interestingly, 17/3/10 doesn't even qualify for the +3 CL versus dispels, since it doesn't even reach 21+ bard, but something about dirgesinger is allowing evang to be treated as full levels for CL versus dispel.

It's been reported as a bug before(somewhere in an old report), and was stated to be working as intended.

[AstralUniverse]

yeah 11 bard 3 evangelist 16 pm also doesnt get 21+ bard lvls but was/is getting +3 cl vs dispels on spellbook (but not items) for some reason. I havent seen the bug report you mention, so I'll take your word for it. Good to know.