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Faerie Fire and Invisibility Purge Remove Unrelated Wards

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:57 pm
by Xersaoth

1) Faerie Fire

Spell Level(s): Druid 1, Shaman 1, Spellsword 1
Innate Level: 1
School: Evocation
Descriptor(s): None
Component(s): Verbal, Somatic
Range: Long (40 meters)
Area of Effect / Target: Single
Duration: 1 Round / Level
Additional Counter Spells: Darkness, Invisibility
Save(s): None
Spell Resistance: No

Description: A pale glow surrounds and outlines the target and will remove concealment benefits from blur, displacement, invisibility, or similar magical effects.

Bug: The Invisibility component from the Improved Invisibility is unaffected by this spell. Yet, all unrelated components from some spells, such as Predator and Ghostform (wild magic spell, -fate 91) and possibly others, get removed along with Concealment. These components thematically do not even belong to the Illusion scholl and thus should obviously not be affected by it in any way.

2) Invisibility Purge

Spell Level(s): Cleric 3, Favored Soul 3, Hemomancer 4, Harbinger 3, Ranger 3
Innate Level: 3
School: Evocation
Descriptor(s): None
Component(s): Verbal, Somatic
Range: Personal
Area of Effect / Target: Colossal (10 meter radius)
Duration: 1 turn / level
Additional Counter Spells: Invisibility
Save(s): None
Spell Resistance: No

Description: This spell removes the invisibility from all invisible creatures and items. Includes removing concealment from Improved Invisibility. The aura around the caster is visible. There is a visual cue if the spell removed invisibility from a creature. Targets within the aura are not affected by invisibility spells.

Bug: This spell removes Ghostform (wild magic spell, -fate 91), which belongs to the Necromancy school (caster becomes a partial undead), but even the Concealment component from the Predator spell remains totally unaffected by it. It should obviously only remove the Concealment components from them, if anything at all.


Re: Faerie Fire and Invisibility Purge Remove Unrelated Wards

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:19 pm
by Heroic Spirit

Faerie Fire removes concealment.

Effects are scripted in a way that the various effects are linked. When one linked effect is removed, the rest of the chain goes with it. This is why it removes Predator.

Improved invisibility is different in this way: The concealment and invisibility effects have separate durations and are separate effects entirely - so when fairie fire removes concealment, invisibility does not follow.

Invisibility Purge removes all effects from invisibility spells, which is why it targets both concealment and invisibility from Improved Invisibility. It does not touch predator, because there is no invisibility component. If Ghostform contains an invisibility effect with the rest of the link, then it's normal that they're removed by the purge.


Re: Faerie Fire and Invisibility Purge Remove Unrelated Wards

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:37 pm
by Xersaoth
Heroic Spirit wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:19 pm

Faerie Fire removes concealment.

Effects are scripted in a way that the various effects are linked. When one linked effect is removed, the rest of the chain goes with it. This is why it removes Predator.

Improved invisibility is different in this way: The concealment and invisibility effects have separate durations and are separate effects entirely - so when fairie fire removes concealment, invisibility does not follow.

Invisibility Purge removes all effects from invisibility spells, which is why it targets both concealment and invisibility from Improved Invisibility. It does not touch predator, because there is no invisibility component. If Ghostform contains an invisibility effect with the rest of the link, then it's normal that they're removed by the purge.

Thank you for clarification, but Ghostform does not have an invisibility effect, and it gets removed by Invisibility Purge.


Re: Faerie Fire and Invisibility Purge Remove Unrelated Wards

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:55 pm
by Xersaoth
Heroic Spirit wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:19 pm

Faerie Fire removes concealment.

Effects are scripted in a way that the various effects are linked. When one linked effect is removed, the rest of the chain goes with it. This is why it removes Predator.

Improved invisibility is different in this way: The concealment and invisibility effects have separate durations and are separate effects entirely - so when fairie fire removes concealment, invisibility does not follow.

Invisibility Purge removes all effects from invisibility spells, which is why it targets both concealment and invisibility from Improved Invisibility. It does not touch predator, because there is no invisibility component. If Ghostform contains an invisibility effect with the rest of the link, then it's normal that they're removed by the purge.

Everything here works as intended - that wild magic spell was anchored to the Improved Invisibility spell. My bad.

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