evil vs. good, balancing the scales

[Sab1]

Just gotta chime in here, not the best example to be entirely honest. I was there, part of the surface group, we had 0 intention of fighting we simply wanted to make a show of force outside the gates so said character that was imprisoned would be given back. Someone came out to us and PvP started, we were fighting like 1 person through the hub, got to the prisoner, instantly came to an agreement that he'd be freed if we left peacefully, and then on the way out were attacked by a bunch of UDers and it became a bloodbath.
Sure it still happened, just saying it not actually a good example. We were outside Andunor for aaaagggeesss trying diplomacy well before any attacks happened.
Multiple lowbies even ran by to do their questing and we didn't hinder them at all, nor did we intend to.

NOTE: Posted in response before Divine Intervention deleted a segment of the comment

I was in the hub. The doors opened, one of your guys threw an AoE spell with no RP, three mummies were unsummoned, and pandemonium broke out. Its true the fight was 'through' the hub, as the fighting quickly moved outside, but one thing we can agree on was that it happened. How is a bit irrelevant to the fact that a group of surface PCs thought it was a good idea to march up to the gates of the headquarters of evil on the island fully warded and start trouble.

Edit: I feel compelled to point out. You wanted to make a show of force outside the gates. Six..seven or so PCs decide to make a show of force outside the gates of a city of presumably ten thousand? Thats the sort of cavalier attitude we're talking about in this thread. That would NEVER fly on the surface. There were killscripts for years expressly preventing UD PCs from coming within even ballista range of surface settlements out of expectation of being instagibbed. People who play UD characters are expected to respect the population of a settlement and its hostility in our RP in how we deal with settlements. Why you lot aren't held to the same standard is a very large part of this thread.

Same can be said abput UDers and show of force on the surface. Kolbolds attacking cordor outskirts etc... Even the snallest surface settlemets should have enough people in it to deter 6 kobolds etc. I think the amount od UD raids on surface far surpases surface raids below. Majority of surface raids below is becuase someone got kidnapped and taken below.

[Spyre]

This thread isn’t going anywhere productive and has degenerated into an attack from both sides on each other over a specific case. I will be locking this.

[Lorkas]

@FrozenSolid

Normally I agree with you, but when it seems DM favortisim to protect the surfacers and punish the underdarkers, sorry I do feel the need to speak up, I have seen it, several times, and I have seen UDers punished by DMs for surface raids and attacks, yet nothing regarding Surface attacks back. So yeah the axe sways one way, which garners responses like this.

Just a closing thought here: it's worth everyone stopping to recognize that they have a much more limited view of the server as a whole than the DM and Admin team do. The reason I point this out is that others I've spoken to who predominantly play surfacers have given the same complaints in reverse--that the DM team favors the UD.

If you think there is a systematic bias of the DM team for or against a particular group of players/characters, the appropriate response is a PM to the Admins, not an argument in a public forum thread.