please let gulderand come back

[Halibutthead]

i know arelith has a long proud history of destroying towns for good, but please don't let gulderand be one of them. cordor is a buggy mess (read: cannot visit for any reasonable period without crashing a dozen times (and that's not an exaggeration)), the other surface towns are all racial-based cancer, and anundurandurandur isn't a place for surfacer RP.

i know this is going to be a thread full of "lol just dill with it, pickel", "don't you dare say something bad about something i don't care about", "whatabout" or "this doesn't bother me, so you're bad", but i really just want it noted that we do need more options for settlements than what's currently available now.

[Nitro]

i know arelith has a long proud history of destroying towns for good, but please don't let gulderand be one of them. cordor is a buggy mess (read: cannot visit for any reasonable period without crashing a dozen times (and that's not an exaggeration)), the other surface towns are all racial-based cancer, and anundurandurandur isn't a place for surfacer RP.

i know this is going to be a thread full of "lol just dill with it, pickel", "don't you dare say something bad about something i don't care about", "whatabout" or "this doesn't bother me, so you're bad", but i really just want it noted that we do need more options for settlements than what's currently available now.

Don't worry, Guldorand is being replaced by a new mountain settlement with two districts that Irongron's been teasing for quite some time now.

[Halibutthead]

i take it all back, then. thanks nitro and irongron & co

[Vrass]

New Gulderand will be at least as big as Cordor if not bigger. Not sure when it is coming out but i myself am hoping it arrives either at Thanksgiving or Christmas. Others put the date at just after New Years and some were saying by Halloween but given that's only a few days away that seems unlikely. Sooner it gets here the better, cant wait to see it.

[Irongron]

This project still has a ways to go, but the city looks good thus far. We need to finish getting all our tilesets in, and do a few updates of the region before we really push to getting it finished.

Guldorand, like Cordor, will be as much a nation as a settlement, and occupy the as yet never-seen north-east corner of Arelith (The NE slopes of the Skull Crags leading to the sea), this will connect to the existing guldorand on one side, and via the broken bridge on the Minmir coast on the other.

It really is huge, so I can't easily give an ETA, but I can probably clarify what is happening with the Guldorand, as we currently know it, as it is NOT being destroyed...

It will basically be rolled back to how it was soon after introduction 10 years ago, a simple logging camp/resupply camp for adventuring. The Logjam will remain (without quarters), as will some of the houses. It will be 'overseen' by the nation (i.e belong to the city of 'Guldorand') and be situated at the southern border of its territory.

Due to my not wishing to needlessly inflate the isle, many of the quarters, be they in the Logjam, or elsewhere, will be transfered to the city. So a player who owns a room in the Logjam might find they then own a house in the city. The city is a something really quite new to Arelith, not just because it exclusively uses dazzling new HAK content, but also because it is NOT a starter city, and instead a mid-epic level environment, as such is doesn't need to be such a 'safe space'. Its level range will immediately commence from where Skaljard finishes (and the two should still be connected)

Before it happens we'll see a lot of wilderness get released for the isle, as I do need to reimagine it a little to justify a second city state. Lake Minmir will be huge, the Crags extensive, and there will be another large region where the 'Upper Shyr' (The River in Bendir) flows down from the Spires.

[JubJub]

Had fun with the battle of Guld, just curious if there was a reason to attack Guld now instead of closer to when the new place will actually go in.

[Echohawk]

FOIG, In character reasoning.

[Vrass]

If the old town is still going to be there it will need a new name to differentiate it... i suggest calling it Actand like it was on Arelith's sister server Amia.

[Ork]

Or just Old Guldorand. Let's not make this complicated and let IG do his thing.

[Echohawk]

It's not being called New-Guldorand because it isn't just Guldorand's.
So there is no need for and Old-Guldorand. It's not being called nor only is for Guldorand.

[Queen Titania]

You will gradually see NPCs return to present-Guldorand, but it will never be the same, just as Irongron highlighted. I think the narrative being weaved will help create a background for the why of the coming changes (Especially the expansion of wilderness and nature).

Also, Any excess destruction can be blamed on Wraith and his hunger for souls.

[Lansert]

I nominate we call old Guld "Jormtown" in honor of our dear beloved Jorm, our late protector and bread maker!

[Anime Sword Fighter]

It's not being called New-Guldorand because it isn't just Guldorand's.
So there is no need for and Old-Guldorand. It's not being called nor only is for Guldorand.

Weird that you are insistent about this whenever it's been called the Guldorand city for more than a literal year. I am all for things happening IC if people want it to be called something else...

Guldorand, like Cordor, will be as much a nation as a settlement, and occupy the as yet never-seen north-east corner of Arelith (The NE slopes of the Skull Crags leading to the sea), this will connect to the existing guldorand on one side, and via the broken bridge on the Minmir coast on the other.

That nation is 'Guldorand', built around a city of the same name. At its southern border lies the logging camp, which will revert to being just that.

As such I think "New Guldorand" would be a perfectly good name for the city itself with "Guldorand" as the entire country; much how people refer to "Cordoria" ("Pax Cordoria" before) as the land around Cordor and the city itself as Cordor.

[Polokko]

I feel like this kind of misses the point on this being a 'living' world. Change happens, and a large part of role playing in this kind of environment is dealing with change and making the most of bad situations. This could have lead to some fantastic refugee RP, arrangements made with the leaders of other settlements on what can be done on taking in the now homeless people, while the new area isn't quite finished. Mixing things up is an important part of keeping things healthy.

[Echohawk]

It's not being called New-Guldorand because it isn't just Guldorand's.
So there is no need for and Old-Guldorand. It's not being called nor only is for Guldorand.

Weird that you are insistent about this whenever it's been called the Guldorand city for more than a literal year. I am all for things happening IC if people want it to be called something else...

Because apparently you don't know it's going to be run jointly by Myon as one district, and the former Guldorand as the other.
Hence my insistence. So no, new Guldorand won't do.

[Queen Titania]

The Elves will probably call it something else.

[Anime Sword Fighter]

Because apparently you don't know it's going to be run jointly by Myon as one district, and the former Guldorand as the other.
Hence my insistence. So no, new Guldorand won't do.

Yes, I did know that.

There's still literally no reason that it cannot be called New Guldorand (or just Guldorand), pending IC development of course, based on the existence of the Elven quarter. It has been repeatedly called the city of Guldorand in posts on the forums about the project. It is simply not inaccurate to continue to call it that until it's actually implemented in the game.

If you're privy to some secret IC knowledge or OOC development about the project and the finished designation of the area, then don't mind me. But New Guldorand sounds cool, simple yet somehow elegant, and works fine as a name.

The Elves will probably call it something else.

This is also cool, and I look forward to IC stories about the claims over the territory. I really want to see this hak city so I must no longer be subjected to the constant crashes of Cordor.

[Echohawk]

It sounds completely unoriginal and gives the impression that it belongs to Guldorand. So I will continue to firmly disagree and insist it not be called that. Because it is not controlled by them alone. Nor should it be called 'new-Myon' for that matter.

Having it be called two different things also is a terrible idea since everyone simply calls Cordor, Cordor. They might comment whether they love or hate it or assume it's run by ratmen from the sewers. But it goes by one name, let's just get something new and stop festering on the old. Technically the old city is remaining but it's not going to be run by the previous elected officials. So then you'd have two Guldorands? Really stupid.

[Halibutthead]

echohawk makes a good point. i nominate the name "Squiddlydoodlefluffervilleburg" until we have a name for the city that will replace gulderand, which is not to be called new gulderand

[Queen Titania]

I wouldn't mind a different name personally, but it's up to Irongron and I'll respect whatever he decides. The name is not under my control, but I/we will take any suggestions in regards to the narrative in-between.

[DM Eyeball]

"Squiddlydoodlefluffervilleburg"

I like that. Have a Hoodoo coin.

[Orian_666]

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it still being called Guldorand.

It was originally slated as a Guldorand update, that's what it's been since it's inception.

It's been RP'd like that since then because it was always the intention, sure it has an Elven Quarter which will have strong influence from Myon, but that doesn't change what it's always been; a Guldorand update/overhaul.

If Cordor all of a sudden had a Dwarven Quarter with influence from Brog would that change what it would be? No, it's just Cordor with a Dwarven Quarter.

It is, at the end of the day, a Guldorand rework, overhaul, and update. It has an Elven Quarter in it but that just makes it Guldorand with an Elven Quarter, not something entirely different, there's no need to over think it like is being done now.

[Nitro]

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it still being called Guldorand.

It was originally slated as a Guldorand update, that's what it's been since it's inception.

It's been RP'd like that since then because it was always the intention, sure it has an Elven Quarter which will have strong influence from Myon, but that doesn't change what it's always been; a Guldorand update/overhaul.

If Cordor all of a sudden had a Dwarven Quarter with influence from Brog would that change what it would be? No, it's just Cordor with a Dwarven Quarter.

It is, at the end of the day, a Guldorand rework, overhaul, and update. It has an Elven Quarter in it but that just makes it Guldorand with an Elven Quarter, not something entirely different, there's no need to over think it like is being done now.

To be fair, Myon is apparently getting overhauled in the same go with some quarters slated to be relocated to the new city from what I've heard, and the elven district will be under the direct control of Myon. So no it's not just Guldorand getting overhauled.

Think of it this way. It's not an elven city with a human quarter. It's not a human city with an elven quarter. It's a new city with two quarters, surface Andunor if you will.

[Orian_666]

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it still being called Guldorand.

It was originally slated as a Guldorand update, that's what it's been since it's inception.

It's been RP'd like that since then because it was always the intention, sure it has an Elven Quarter which will have strong influence from Myon, but that doesn't change what it's always been; a Guldorand update/overhaul.

If Cordor all of a sudden had a Dwarven Quarter with influence from Brog would that change what it would be? No, it's just Cordor with a Dwarven Quarter.

It is, at the end of the day, a Guldorand rework, overhaul, and update. It has an Elven Quarter in it but that just makes it Guldorand with an Elven Quarter, not something entirely different, there's no need to over think it like is being done now.

To be fair, Myon is apparently getting overhauled in the same go with some quarters slated to be relocated to the new city from what I've heard, and the elven district will be under the direct control of Myon. So no it's not just Guldorand getting overhauled.

Think of it this way. It's not an elven city with a human quarter. It's not a human city with an elven quarter. It's a new city with two quarters, surface Andunor if you will.

I've heard the claim that the Elven District will be under direct and full control of Myon a few times but i've never once seen a source that confirms it? What's the source on this?
Afaik Irongron has never stated just how much control Myon will have over the district, only that they'll have "some".
On top of that this is my first time hearing that some Myon Quarters will be relocated to the new city Elven Quarter, what's the source on that too if you don't mind? It's not that I don't believe you or anything lol, I just want to make sure it's absolutely the case.

It has been confirmed however that some Guldorand properties will be moved to the new city;
"Due to my not wishing to needlessly inflate the isle, many of the quarters, be they in the Logjam, or elsewhere, will be transfered to the city. " - Irongron

More importantly we know nothing about the changes to Myon, it could be smaller, it could be larger, but none of that changes that this new city is, and always has been, the Guldorand changes. Just because there's an Elven Quarter in it doesn't make it any less a Guldorand thing, does it?

Finally there's nothing at all to suggest that it'll be like a surface Andunor, in fact all the posts and information i've seen about it make it more like a minor "pseudo-settlement" within a settlement. As in Guldorand will be the main city and the Elven Quarter will just be a small section within it. Where is the information that it'll be more like a surface Andunor, or a city where the Elven and other quarter will essentially be two equally sized and influential sections? The name alone "Elven Quarter" suggests it'll only be a small part of the entire city as a whole, it's an Elven Quarter, not an Elven Half.

[Nitro]

I mention this here because part of the new city is the Elven Quarter. I've neve really felt Arelith catered for the 'city elf' and I think this addition well worthile.

The important part - This quarter of the city is governed by Myon, and has direct portal access for Elven citizens between the two. Myon itself will be reworked afterwards with one of the new tilesets, but will be SMALLER - and while still protected by the Mythal the bulk of Elven civilisation (and RP) on Arelith will not longer take place in exclusion.

The Elven District will have a wealth of such content, including temples, houses, beautiful tavern, and so much else, and it really IS Myon.

I can't go into details of the surrounding narrative, or why there is an Elven quarter in the city, but there is a very good reason.

But this is just one corner of a city, which itself is going to be a nation.

The existing Logging Camp is not being replaced, and will indeed remain, as a logging camp at the southern end of the Guldorand. If players want to continue that RP without being dragged into city politics that option will be there. This 'nation' will contain a number of other places the elected leaders of the city don't have control over, including Soulhaven, and some scattered farms, and the largely lawless areas that can exist in any city.

I'm well aware of how the situation has evolved between the two settlements, and its fine if that hostility continues, it may even add to the atmosphere. But players are not NPCs. Elves from across Faerun will be migrating there, but Myon too, is not being removed so much can change in terms of governance.

I would just advise waiting for the actual city, which is still a long way off, and reacting IC to developments in game, not here on the forum.

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