Darkness.

[Hazard]

The darkness update doesn't seem to be working for me.

The update says darkness will not affect undead.

The darkness cast by driders will cause my undead to stop attacking, until I run into it .. spot the enemy and playertool1 my undead to attack it. Then the enemy is protected by 50% concealment. All of this exactly the same as before the update.

[Drowboy]

It says undead spawns.

[Hazard]

It says undead spawns.

Sorry, but ... What's the difference? Shouldn't my undead follow the same rules as the rest of the undead?

[CookieMonster]

The darkness update doesn't seem to be working for me.

The update says darkness will not affect undead.

The darkness cast by driders will cause my undead to stop attacking, until I run into it .. spot the enemy and playertool1 my undead to attack it. Then the enemy is protected by 50% concealment. All of this exactly the same as before the update.

I see what you did there

It wasn't a buff for Necromancers, it's nerfing what was a very powerful vs PvE spell and somewhat overused in a particularly unlimited of a night time undead area on he Surface spell.

Essentially you could kill any mob, or boss bar from True Sight and Slimes by dropping a darkness

[Hazard]

The darkness update doesn't seem to be working for me.

The update says darkness will not affect undead.

The darkness cast by driders will cause my undead to stop attacking, until I run into it .. spot the enemy and playertool1 my undead to attack it. Then the enemy is protected by 50% concealment. All of this exactly the same as before the update.

I see what you did there

It wasn't a buff for Necromancers, it's nerfing what was a very powerful vs PvE spell and somewhat overused in a particularly unlimited of a night time undead area on he Surface.

I legitimately was expecting this to count for all undead and I was pretty excited.
Nevermind, I guess. Just embarrassing myself on the forums! Nothing to see here.

[Hazard]

Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

[Void]

It wasn't a buff for Necromancers, it's nerfing what was a very powerful vs PvE spell and somewhat overused in a particularly unlimited of a night time undead area on he Surface spell.

Gee, here goes my favorite past time of setting this area on fire. *sighs*

[Hazard]

Oh, man. If this whole change was because of that area, couldn't we just .. change the area, or give them ability to cast ultravision or something >_>

[CookieMonster]

Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Anyway, you have neither lost nor gained anything from the spell being nerfed so your wanting it to be changed to suite your summons is a bit far fetched.

[Hazard]

Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Ohhh! Okay!
Thank you. I thought that it only affecting spawns would mean none of that would happen to hostile NPC undead, and only player controlled ones.

If all the undead are getting the same penalties, then that's cool beans.

[Hazard]

Anyway, you have neither lost nor gained anything from the spell being nerfed so your wanting it to be changed to suite your summons is a bit far fetched.

Yeh, I'm nuts.

[CookieMonster]

Well, maybe if a mod sees this they could move it out of bugs and into questions or feedback or something, because I'm about to ramble!

If I were to say, have my undead fighting some NPC undead, and I cast darkness on them. Would they ALL have 50% concealment and continue fighting (given that I did the playertool1 thing) or would only the enemies have 50% concealment?

Is there anyway to make it so it does apply to all undead, or any chance at all this is an oversight? I just get really hung up on inconsistencies like this. I still remember how frustrated I was (and still am) about player Balors losing True Sight while NPC Balors kept it. REEEEEE.

Am I the only person that goes absolutely insane over these things?

... Speaking of, is there any chance of removing True Sight from NPC balors too? *Cough* Could just replace it with see invis and high skills to maintain dungeon difficulty.

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Ohhh! Okay!
Thank you. I thought that it only affecting spawns would mean none of that would happen to hostile NPC undead, and only player controlled ones.

If all the undead are getting the same penalties, then that's cool beans.

Hostile Undead NPCs and Undead Spawns are not affected by Darkness. Just Summons.

[Hazard]

It's not an inconsistency. It's how the spell works. Any creature inside the AoE of Darkness, that is not warded to pierce it, or ignores it as some NPCs do now, is blind. This gives them a 50% miss chance and a -4 penalty to all attack rolls, while giving those attacking them a +2 bonus to attack rolls. Furthermore, a blind creature is considered flat-footed and is unable to directly target distant creatures with spells or attacks. Additionally, there is a -4 penalty to discipline, hide, move silently, open lock, parry, pick pocket, set trap and tumble.

Ohhh! Okay!
Thank you. I thought that it only affecting spawns would mean none of that would happen to hostile NPC undead, and only player controlled ones.

If all the undead are getting the same penalties, then that's cool beans.

Hostile Undead NPCs and Undead Spawns are not affected by Darkness. Just Summons.

Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

[CookieMonster]

Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

Naturally occurring creatures formed from God Like realms or curses are just more powerful than your Undead.

That more than adequately covers the reasoning behind this inability to Summon with every ability of a real creature.

[Hazard]

Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

Naturally occurring creatures formed from God Like realms or curses are just more powerful than your Undead.

That more than adequately covers the reasoning behind this inability to Summon with every ability of a real creature.

[Nitro]

Oh. Okay, then I withdraw my cool beans and assert that inconsistency should be fixed

Naturally occurring creatures formed from God Like realms or curses are just more powerful than your Undead.

That more than adequately covers the reasoning behind this inability to Summon with every ability of a real creature.

*Looks at his epic vampire lord tearing level 4 zombies to shreds*

[CookieMonster]

*Looks at his epic vampire lord tearing level 4 zombies to shreds*

*IGMS is better than Magic Missile*


But your Vampire Lord still can't break darkness without buffs

[Aeralad]

Cmon it seems understandable. Let's not dogpile or mountain out of molehill here. It seems like this could've been asked 'Was the intention to exclude undead summons?" Leave it at that with a possible staff answer.

[Hazard]

Cmon it seems understandable. Let's not dogpile or mountain out of molehill here. It seems like this could've been asked 'Was the intention to exclude undead summons?" Leave it at that with a possible staff answer.

Yeah, fair. You're right.