New Dispel

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

Dudes, this was a bug fix, not a balance change.

So, for as long as you don't cast spells on a 20 CL bard, for example, you keep 30 CL?

The dispel resistance is based entirely off of your class level spread (and to a minor extent your ability scores.) This is to say that if you have 20 bard levels then you'll have 20 CL for dispel resistance. If your base charisma is below 10 then your 20 bard levels wouldn't count towards the 10 CL marker.

I believe Tarkus may be asking about the previous ability of characters with caster levels to still be treated as mundanes when using item buffs if they hadn't actually cast anything from their class's spellbook yet since a reset; in this way, for example, a 20bard/6fighter/4<paladin/blackguard> with a 20 charisma, could completely ignore their class spell list and only use itemized buffs plus bardsong, effectively becoming CharacterLevel30 for dispel checks rather than CasterLevel20.

If I understand correctly, this was made possible by the fact that until you cast an actual spell from your character's class spellbook, your CasterLevel check still returned as 0, which caused the game to use your CharacterLevel for said checks to resist dispelling.

If that's NOT what Tarkus is asking, then I'll ask- will this still be the case, or will the fix check your class levels for caster levels regardless of whether or not you've used your spellbook since log-in?

[TimeAdept]

it's CL no matter what now

the functionality you speak of is exactly what Beamdoggo broke

[garrbear758]

Oops my bad I see what you're saying.

We couldn't make it work exactly like it did previously, but we got it as close as possible. This is just a temporary fix until Beamdog properly fixes it. If you're a bard and don't cast you still get bard CL towards dispels IF you are > 10 bard levels AND have >=10 hard charisma.

[Tarkus the dog]

Dudes, this was a bug fix, not a balance change.

So, for as long as you don't cast spells on a 20 CL bard, for example, you keep 30 CL?

The dispel resistance is based entirely off of your class level spread (and to a minor extent your ability scores.) This is to say that if you have 20 bard levels then you'll have 20 CL for dispel resistance. If your base charisma is below 10 then your 20 bard levels wouldn't count towards the 10 CL marker.

It is not how it it worked before. The CL used to be your max level, unless you cast a spell - So 20 bards would give up their entire spellbook but keep 30 CL instead, or choose to cast spells at the cost of being 20 CL. Which is why I am curious about the "it was a bug fix and not a balance change", since you are now forced to cast spells on these builds.

Oops my bad I see what you're saying.

We couldn't make it work exactly like it did previously, but we got it as close as possible. This is just a temporary fix until Beamdog properly fixes it. If you're a bard and don't cast you still get bard CL towards dispels IF you are > 10 bard levels AND have >=10 hard charisma.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm really tired -- didn't see this post. If this is a temporary fix, then I understand that.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

it's CL no matter what now

the functionality you speak of is exactly what Beamdoggo broke

Oops my bad I see what you're saying.

We couldn't make it work exactly like it did previously, but we got it as close as possible. This is just a temporary fix until Beamdog properly fixes it. If you're a bard and don't cast you still get bard CL towards dispels IF you are > 10 bard levels AND have >=10 hard charisma.

Thank you very much for the clarification.