Divine Champions & Heavy Armor

[Flower Power]

Description of Bug Experienced:

DC class description mentions Divine Champions gaining proficiency in ALL types of armor, but DC's only gain Medium & Shields.

Steps to reproduce the Bug:

Take a level of Divine Champion.

Expected Result:

To receive all armor proficiencies.

Actual Result:

Only receive Medium & Shields.

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Additional Notes

There's a nonzero chance that this is working as intended, as vanilla CoT's don't gain H. Armor Prof. by default, but the class description for Divine Champions was deliberately changed when the name went from CoT to DC to read "all types of armor." The special DC-only armor is also Heavy Armor as well, so I presume it's intended for DC's to actually receive H. Armor Proficiency by default (it'd be a little weird for them to be unable to actually use their class-locked gear, especially considering it's arguably the most expensive suit of armor in the game with its double mithril dust cost ontop of still needing adamantine.)

[Curve]

I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I do know that Divine Champions don't need any additional power handed to them.

[garrbear758]

The description is wrong

[Good Character]

Curious about what is the point of their main armor being heavy if they don't have the proficiency for it? The armor itself has been considered the worst of the new armors released recently.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

Curious about what is the point of their main armor being heavy if they don't have the proficiency for it? The armor itself has been considered the worst of the new armors released recently.

Off the top of my head, the only builds that 'suffer' from not getting heavy armor out of Divine Champion would be bard/champion hybrids, sorcerer/champion hybrids, and rogue/champion hybrids. Of these combinations, the only one that really suffers is the bard/champion, and 'suffer' is an overstatement of epic proportions given all the other synergy bards already have with the class, and don't forget you can go Bard/Champion/(BG/Pally) for further synergy with your charisma stat, and then you still get heavy armor for free.

If you're determined to Bard/Champion without the third class, you have plenty of levels of Champion to pick up heavy armor with one of the bonus feats if you absolutely need/want it - but I don't see why you wouldn't just pick up an ASF reduction breastplate (assuming these still exist) and cast cat's grace on yourself, instead.

[Nurel]

Good Character is addressing the fact that there's a Full Plate armor (sanctified) craftable through Smithing which is only usuable by Divine Champions with a UMD dc in the 70s.

Its weird that an armor which is only usuable by Div Champ belongs to an armor tier unavailable to that class

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

Good Character is addressing the fact that there's a Full Plate armor (sanctified) craftable through Smithing which is only usuable by Divine Champions with a UMD dc in the 70s.

Its weird that an armor which is only usuable by Div Champ belongs to an armor tier unavailable to that class

I'm addressing the fact that if you're a character archetype meant to wear said heavy armor, there's plenty of opportunity to get your heavy armor proficiency from your base class. It's not unavailable to you, it's only unavailable if you've specifically gone from a squishy spell-caster into divine champion AND you don't use one of the many bonus feats divine champion picks up to get the heavy armor proficiency.

Basically, if this weren't a prestige class, I'd agree with you. But it is, and it's a solid, powerful melee prestige class with a lot of synergy to add to casters and bards (the bonus feats can *ALSO* be used for automatic still spell at epic levels). Heavy armor intentionally wasn't given to the class, forcing you to at least spend one extra feat to get it if you didn't enter the class through a martial base that already has access. (Fighter, cleric, paladin, etc.)

To be brutally blunt about it- the only way you aren't qualified for heavy armor as a divine champion, is if you tried to slap it onto a squishy caster archetype for free heavy armor and full spell-casting. You can still do it, but you have to spend one extra feat.

I don't think this is a design flaw- I think it's intentional.

[Nurel]

To be brutally blunt about it- the only way you aren't qualified for heavy armor as a divine champion, is if you tried to slap it onto a squishy caster archetype for free heavy armor and full spell-casting. You can still do it, but you have to spend one extra feat.

I don't think this is a design flaw- I think it's intentional.

I'm sorry I did not make myself clear enough: I agree with your post. In fact, vanilla nwn CoT does *not* get heavy armor profficiency and I am perfectly fine with it, for the reasons you state

But still, I believe the Sanctified Plate should be changed into a medium armor type, since the class is able to use those but not the heavy types. It makes no sense to me that Sanctified plate is heavy tier whilst Div Champ gets no profficiency to use it. In my opinion all divine champions should be able to use the divine champion specific armor, but this is not the case at the moment. I suggest the armor be changed, not the class.