Exotic Weapon Proficiency without taking it

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Exotic Weapon Proficiency without taking it

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On my character Elessra Everlund I have in the feat list Weapon Proficiency Exotic, despite not having taken it and no idea where it can come from. I tried to unequip everything and it stays there.

The feat also appears to be non-functional, as I get the regular penalties when I wield exotic weapons as if I did not have the feat.

Trying to transfer the character on PGCC makes the feat disappear, and I can regularly take it on level up.

Exporting the character and then opening the file with Leto reveals that the feat id 44 (exotic weapon prof) is not on the exported .bic file.

I am really confused as to what this is, I just hope I can regularly take the feat though.
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Re: Exotic Weapon Proficiency without taking it

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I have tried to tinker a bit on PGCC, even though this may not be strictly related to the above, and I noticed that once you take exotic weapon proficiency, after you delevel and do not take back the feat, you still keep the various extra exotic proficiencies, like whip, bastard sword, katana, etc.

This seems harmless, though, apart for cluttering the feat list, since the penalties are still applied to them without exotic weapon proficiency proper.
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I noticed this as well and attempted to -relevel to remove it because I thought I had accidentally taken it at some point. It goes away on level 1, but upon leveling up I'm given it again on the sheet. Haven't really tested functionality of it because I don't use any exotic weapons..
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cantalyssa wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:32 pm I noticed this as well and attempted to -relevel to remove it because I thought I had accidentally taken it at some point. It goes away on level 1, but upon leveling up I'm given it again on the sheet. Haven't really tested functionality of it because I don't use any exotic weapons..
What class are you? I am spellsword, pure for now.

Do you know if you can still take it on level up?
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So, thanks to DM Avalon Soul I could check on live server if the feat was still available on level up. It seems I am still able to take Exotic Weapon Proficiency at the next feat level stop, and if I take it there it works correctly and comes with all the ancillary feats (whip, katana, bastard sword, katar, etc.).

Deleveling also removes the ancillary feats, on the live server, unlike on PGCC where they stick.

At this point it seems that the bug is rather innocuous, but I really wonder what the cause may be for it. It seems like the character does not have the feat but it was pinned on her as if coming from a script, kind of like an item, but without the item.
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My character Sephran Sephran (Swashbuckler, Fighter, Loremaster) also has this phantom proficiency. I'm pretty sure I never selected it, but I could be wrong. It's available for picking when releveling on PGCCC, and disappears and reappears the same as in the OP.

I do frequently use a dwarven waraxe for gathering. And get the warning about switching without a free hand, while having a free hand.
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Can confirm that a completely fresh Spellsword gains this feat for some reason. My new halfling spellsword also got it. If it happened before or after forced relevel at lvl1 I'm unsure.
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Re: Exotic Weapon Proficiency without taking it

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Itikar wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:41 pm At this point it seems that the bug is rather innocuous, but I really wonder what the cause may be for it. It seems like the character does not have the feat but it was pinned on her as if coming from a script, kind of like an item, but without the item.
More of a note for other devs also reading this, and maybe provide some clarity to anyone facing this peculiar problem:
I recently changed a section of the level-up script about weapon-related proficiencies to a different method of "removal" when releveling, this may have caused some disjunction for existing characters in retrospect.

The previous approach to dealing with weapon proficiencies:
On level up, if a character has relevant proficiencies, race, or class levels (such as Exotic Weapon Prof, Drow, Rogue, Cavalier, Assassin, or Monk Levels), then certain weapon proficiency feats are granted automatically.
If a character no longer has qualifying proficiencies or class levels on level up, then said proficiency is removed to avoid relevel exploitations.

New approach:
Same as before, but also appended an extra part where it'd append the level of which the feat is gained. So the relevel action (losing levels and regaining exp) should remove it as it takes the .bic progression into account. This effectively cut the script size down by half as the removal script is no longer necessary, which leads to the problem-

Existing characters that leveled up and had the old proficiencies added onto them without the character level of which it gained the proficiency appended onto them, having releveled in the updated script, might see some unintended interactions.

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So, now that I got weapon proficiency exotic at level up, I have two of them! I.e. I see two identical entries for it in the feat list.

So this must be another feat that appears the same.
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A fix is in the pipeline. The duplicate exotic feat should become the Heavy Flail weapon proficiency in a few days.

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