Banning People from places IC

[Dragonblaze]

Hello there,
I wanted to open this topic mainly related to IC stuff and the rules of the server:

Is consented to a group of players to bash others and threatening to not show again in a place?
While this happening in Surface, would still leave options for the targeted group to move elsewhere, what would happen if the situation happens in Andunor?
And in this latter case how is legal to roleplay for example: "I do not want to see you anymore in Underdark, go in Surface, Dis or Shadowplane or I kill you on sight" ?
Even if one could have good reasons to say such, I think that "Banning" someone from Underdark is not a lecit play, cause could force someone to shelf a toon or delete it, without dual consent, especially if targetted people are drow.

Differently could be fine banning from a District (given one has the power to do it) but negating an entire server I think should be only DM action for very deserved reasons and not and personal skirmishes.

I would love to hear the feedback of community but mostly DM.
Cause if it is constented such thing, then this server is handled mostly from such groups that roll toons just to destroy others and not enrich the story of everyone. Cause Threatening and "banning" could be for sure part of the play, but only if done properly.

[HeyLadyOfDecay]

While it is IC a course that makes sense,
Its ooc a toxic action, specially against ud races and groups.

Personal opinion btw.

Also this stuff is repeated so often it's tiresome.

They should stand up more against organised pvp groups but "meh".

Honestly I'd quote "do not do upon others what you dont wish done upon yourself", But these groups often last a month or so.

[tomboy.sp2]

After reading this. I sent a PM about a incident to the Active DMs after a incident in Saltspar, by the same party, where Drow character was threatened with PvP for being there and *proving* to be drow, during her writ work attempt.

[Wolfgangvondi]

Hi all.

Im conflict if i should post in this topic or not, and how much should I say.
I din't see this incident in saltspar. But had basically this happening to my char.

I would say, if anyone feels the rp is being forced and you really disliked it, you should consider at least two first options.
One...Roll whit him for a bit. It might actualy lead to some interesting stuff a bit more down the line. (one of my chars end up having one of is must trusts worth and closest friends one that at first time where at severed odds for a bit. And more important a huge amount of great RP that helped my char a lot to grow as a char).

Two, if you don't want, are not able/ whish to keep the rp line.. send an polite ooc tell to the other player/ players. And just try have a short honest open talk, whit out trying to force anything.

I know i can only talk for myself, but i have never seen a char that is my char "adversary"(?) that, would not be open to talk things out. (I usual avoid to talk whit adversaries, so i can keep myself more in the RP. but i have done it, and others have done whit it me)
Actual, to be complete honest musty of my chars adversaries actual more or less discreetly help my char when they noticed my short comings as a player.

That's not the same to say that every one is nice to my char/chars. A lot of them went through by a lot of injustices, heavy target, heavy burdens and so on. Some times is just part of the RP.


Don't assume some one are just trying to squash your rp/ char in an unreasonable way. Let them know you would like to talk about the rp and see if it can be a bit adjusted, even if a little bending of chars RP is needed, but mostly important respecting the players.

We are ALL here to have fun, fun for ourselves and fun for the Other's too.

[somecritter]

Community opinion.

Is consented to a group of players to bash others and threatening to not show again in a place?
While this happening in Surface, would still leave options for the targeted group to move elsewhere, what would happen if the situation happens in Andunor?
And in this latter case how is legal to roleplay for example: "I do not want to see you anymore in Underdark, go in Surface, Dis or Shadowplane or I kill you on sight" ?

I cannot see why such should roleplay should be illegal. That said, the context is what matters, and it is often a consequence of something that happened ICly. The conditions are harsh, and so is it to live in the Underdark. If someone feels it is unreasonable or crosses the line to bullying, they can report it. But I would not be in favor of disallowing such RP. It supports the setting of the Underdark being a cruel and unforgiving place where the consequences are incredibly tough.

Even if one could have good reasons to say such, I think that "Banning" someone from Underdark is not a lecit play, cause could force someone to shelf a toon or delete it, without dual consent, especially if targetted people are drow.

In my experience, most cases where someone becomes the target of many, it could have been avoided with the proper roleplay.

Differently could be fine banning from a District (given one has the power to do it) but negating an entire server I think should be only DM action for very deserved reasons and not and personal skirmishes.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with this. Players can declare war on each other, and asking someone not to show up at X is completely fine as far as I am concerned. Sure, if both parties are inflexible and cannot make amends, someone will most likely die, but then the 48 hours rule gets into play.

Cause if it is constented such thing, then this server is handled mostly from such groups that roll toons just to destroy others and not enrich the story of everyone. Cause Threatening and "banning" could be for sure part of the play, but only if done properly.

By all means, if you believe someone is actively making characters just to do exactly that, then you should report it.

[Spyre]

I am just going to lock this before it turns to finger pointing and naming specific events.

That being said:

1) No one is allowed to issue Kill on Sight orders where no RP happens before PvP. You can be a target of a group or labeled a threat but there needs to be sufficient RP before any PvP. It must satisfy the interaction requirements. And if you have any concerns that there are violations, please submit a report to the Active DM team on the forums or by email at arelith.dm@gmail.com

2) Banning from areas (towns specifically) can happen - this is why there is an exile system and pariah system. These should be utilized if that is the true intention (it comes with a cost to the settlement to have the exiles in place, requires interactive RP between the person being exiled and a person with power to exile [face-to-face], and can spur some stories from it). If they are not employing these methods and leading to gank squads any time you go to an area, please report it and the DMs will look into it as it crosses the Be Nice lines of what is acceptable and not. But, also evaluate if it falls into 1.

3) The Underdark and Surface have expansive areas that players can go through that are not connected to settlements. There are also neutral areas between it. So there is still options if you get exiled from everywhere (speaking from experience in the past). They cannot mechanically exile you from an entire server though - they do not have powers to claim these lands, but you may still be unwelcome in their presence. This is a byproduct of any interactions you may have had with them and consequences of said interactions. But then again, it falls to the Be Nice rule and whether or not there is any narrative that is happening.

Biggest thing is to remember to keep it fun for each side. Touch base if either side will accept it and check in on whether it is fun or not. Being receptive to feedback, criticism and then growing from it is a big win for anyone!