DM Query re: Theft rules

[Choofed]

Hey there,

I’m writing this for clarification on what constitutes a stack to ensure proper compliance with the rules. To reference the rule in question:

I ask the following questions.

1.

When it says a stack is a singular item, does it mean a singular item type which might be stackable or a singular individual item?

For example, do we mean I could only steal 1 unit of Dragons Blood, or a full pile of 100?

I ask this because it says “Stacks are a single item.”

2.

When stealing from containers, like hunting bags, one can press the [All] function in bags and it will produce 50 items of any particular item. This can be seen here:

Would when pressing the all function be considered a singular ‘stack’, aka 50, or are we allowed to produce 2 stacks and combine them for 100?

This leads back to the first question.

3.

In relation to stealing a container from someone’s citizens storage, as allowed in the rules page, we are constrained from stealing someone’s entire container but you may lose the ability to return that container when the person exits their citizen storage.

How does the team advise players to proceed in this situation?

Comment:

I believe the theft rules may need a rewording, if only to fully clarify the current intent of the current rules. They currently leave open questions.

[The GrumpyCat]

1) I belive it is one stack - so in this case you could steal 100 dragons blood, or all the dragon blood in a container.

2) I think really the 50 is a constraint of the system? I'd certainly consider it reasonable to take 'all' of the item - and not be constrained by that number. Though if other members of the team feel differently I'm happy to be overruled.

3) We've not really made a ruling reguarding stealing from citizen storage as I recall, but to me this by itself is a good reason why perhaps it shouldn't be allowed at all. We will discuss that sitation. In the mean time I advise that either players refrain at the least from stealing containers in citizenship storage. Or else, after taking the single stack item out, immedatly work to return the container to the pc who owned it - in any way possible.

[Flower Power]

1) I belive it is one stack - so in this case you could steal 100 dragons blood, or all the dragon blood in a container.

You mean you can steal "up to 100 dragon's blood, 1 stack" right?

And not actually "all of the dragon blood in a container" if there's more than 100 (1 stack) dragon blood in it.

If my understanding of what you meant is incorrect, we really need a definitive ruling and clarification on theft because the rules IG differ from the rules on the wiki, which differ from the last DM Announcement we had on theft rules, which differ from what a former DM told me was the current ruleset, which differs from what you've said (potentially) here in this post.

It's kind of all over the place.

[DM Poppy]

1) I belive it is one stack - so in this case you could steal 100 dragons blood, or all the dragon blood in a container.

You mean you can steal "up to 100 dragon's blood, 1 stack" right?

And not actually "all of the dragon blood in a container" if there's more than 100 (1 stack) dragon blood in it.

If my understanding of what you meant is incorrect, we really need a definitive ruling and clarification on theft because the rules IG differ from the rules on the wiki, which differ from the last DM Announcement we had on theft rules, which differ from what a former DM told me was the current ruleset, which differs from what you've said (potentially) here in this post.

It's kind of all over the place.

Your understanding is correct. But the example I think is just a little bit confusing.

A full stack is one item. A partial stack is also one item, in the sense you could not assess a stack of 50 as 50% of an item and then steal another 50% of a full stack of a different item. (But that does not mean you cannot steal multiple split stacks of the same item to make a full stack. So a chest that has 20 stacks of 10 adamantine is still going to stack up to 100 ingots.)

Be it an item that stacks to 100 or 1000 you may only take a full stack of that item from another player. So if a container has 120 Dragon Blood, you can steal a full stack from it, in this case that would be 100. If a container has 80 Dragon Blood, you can take all 80.

For items that stack to larger values the pattern remains. So if a container had 500 of an item that stacks to 1000, you could steal all 500. If it had 1500, you could take 1000. A full stack.

[In Sorrow We Trust]

to expand on this, if a container is empty, my understanding is that it can be stolen, correct?

[The GrumpyCat]

Yes.