Overall Summons Rework [Outdated!]

[Tyrantos]

At this current moment I despise myself. Two days earlier, I deleted my necromancer as I had lost hope in waiting.
Perhaps this meant that a Sacrefice of a high level Necromancer was required?
It must be so, the gods needed one of their servants to fall!

[Yellena]

That's the way of evil. Waiting for people to lose hope. To accept the Lie of Hope.
(what a damn great book I found in game. check libraries guys, some great books in there!)

When the pure shadows dancers delete their chars, I will ship the special SD summons. Same with death domain clerics.

[Ils ne passeront pas]

Can we get a write up of how the new undead update works?

[Yellena]

it's written somewhere arround the forums.

[Tyrantos]

Hm. What are the plans for the death Domain clerics special thing by the way? Dont think I found anything on it yet.

[Roketter]

How things will work will be all up to Mith, so what I say below may or may not happen. From what I remember:

Mummy Dust and Epic PM's Class Ability will able to summon Tier 4 Undeads.
The other spells will all summon an Undead based on Caster Level (possible full PM levels taken into account for that). Each spell used will summon an extra Undead, up to one per Spell Focus in Necromancy (up to 3 at same time).

With the above, as you may notice, PMs will be the only able to have two Tier 4 Undeads at once (one with Mummy Dust and one with it's own ability). Something to make up for the huge spell casting sacrifice they make.
It's important to remember that PM's summons a Dracolich with Dragon Knight Spell!

Arise followers of the Dark Arts With Creepy Hands! Arise and conquer the...
*Pure CHA Cleric uses Turn Undead*
Well... would you like to buy Bone Knuckles?

[Roketter]

Thank you Roketter for posting this.
Just as an update.
The Undeads's rework moved from "Soon (tm)" to "Very Soon (tm)". Just need to finish the Bloodwraith line and test them (AI, DCs, behavior and such).

I will possible send them to Mith with a patch to fix some of the current summon's bugs and unbalances.


Quick Preview:
General Properties:
-Undeads Immunities
-Cold Resist 5/- and 10/- at Tier 4
-Negative Damage Immunity (makes sense...)
-Divine and Positive Damage Vulnerability (+100%)

Zombie Stream: Zombie>Skeleton>Mummy>Mummy Lord
-Slow (can't run), good physical resistance (lower than earth elemental tought), elemental damage vulnerability (fire). Medium Damage.

Ghoul Stream: Ghoul>Ghast>Wight>Vampire
-Fast and Very Fast at later tiers. Low defenses. Very high damage and Vampiric Regeneration.

Bloodwraith Steam: Wraith>Spectre>Ghost>Banshee
-Fast. High elemental defenses and agility. Very high DR against non magical weapons. Very low physical damage. Casters and "cripplers". Later tiers uses heavy necromancy magic (*coughs* wail *coughs*).


Will also ask Mith to try some of his magic and make a random roll on the appearances, as we have many versions of the undeads. =D

Sorry to post twice, this is for the people who wanted to see how earlier posts explained this system.

How many palemaster levels are required for Tier IV undead ? Can a lvl 20 sorc 10 palemaster get there, or does it require more than 10 palemaster levels ?

[CragOneEye]

Where do Doom Knights fit in all of this?

[UUD-40]

How exactly does one pick which line they're summoning from?

[FoxyPigeon]

Where do Doom Knights fit in all of this?

As far as I've seen they seem exactly the same... at least at the moment. >.>

BUT! I noticed summoned ghasts (from the BG summon) has more hp, str, and changes. Which is awesome... did Doom Knights not get put in yet maybe? o.0

[CragOneEye]

Doom Knights are not listed any where in the three above categories

[Roketter]

Keep in mind that was all old info

[Yellena]

Yep, not in.

[Mithreas]

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  // Casters can have up to one minion per Spell Focus in Necromancy (min 1).
  // The first is summoned as a usual creature (i.e. in the summon slot).
  // The second and third, if applicable, take up henchman slots.
  // Each distinct spell can only summon one minion (so casting animate dead
  // twice won't net you a second minion, even with GSF).  
  // There are three streams of undead (zombie, ghoul and wraith).  Zombie is 
  // the default.  PCs can do rituals to change stream. 
  // There are 4 tiers of creature. Tier 2 kicks in at level 11, Tier 3 at 16, 
  // and Tier 4 when you have the Mummy Dust spell.
  // Your effective level is the sum of your Cleric, Wizard, Sorc and PM levels.

The creatures are:
Zombie stream: Zombie, Skeleton, Mummy, Mummy Lord
Ghoul stream: Ghoul, Ghast, Wight, Vampire
Wraith stream (coming soon): Specter, Wraith, Banshee, Lich

Please to update wiki

[Hunter548]

Does the PM animate dead ability or the mummy dust epic spell count as a separate undead-creating spell for the purposes of getting three undead?

[UUD-40]

PM Animate dead and Summon Undead at least seem to function the same. No idea about mummy dust.

Are there going to be places where the information on how to do the rituals can be pieced together?

[Mithreas]

That is going to be left to FOIG.

[Mithreas]

Does the PM animate dead ability or the mummy dust epic spell count as a separate undead-creating spell for the purposes of getting three undead?

Yes. PM abilities should count differently from the spell versions of the same abilities. And Mummy Dust is a separate spell.

[Terenfel]

so its not a bug... logged on my level 7 cleric that was able to summon er bear (GSF conjuration) and 2 skeletons (GSF Necromancy) but is now only able to summon 1 zombie.. this new system seams kinda hard on a low level necromancer, and Spell focus conjuration is now a waste for a necromancer. *signs*

[Mithreas]

Yes, conjuration and necromancy are now basically opposed schools. No more having a powerful 'normal' summon and multiple undead to swarm. So undead aren't a straight upgrade (which, under the old system, made bad guys simply better mages than good guys).

It's not a complete waste though - it gives you flexibility. If your undead gang are weak against a particular opponent, you can pull out the elemental instead, and vice versa.

[Terenfel]

but still without the conjuration, just 1 zombie, where i had 2 skeletons before.
still kinda hard for the low level necromancer.

[Mithreas]

No harder than for any other low level summoner!

[Sazu]

I'm just curious... if it's going to be FOIG for the rituals... who are going to be the first to get the privilege to be told?

Unless there's going to be system where we can stumble upon it and then know it?

[Mithreas]

Currently there is one place in the module where you can switch summons. It's pretty obvious, really, though working out how to activate it may take some trial and error.

[Tyrantos]

If the Death domain ability has not yet been modded, may I suggest that the cleric may choose from one of the three streams when they make their charather, and it would evolve according to the list above?